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it would appear.

No fears ..... just cannot see getting in a Pi$$ing contest.

At the risk of getting one of those negative feedback marks I will just leave this alone.....

M-fox " Is there any chance we can get rid of this LEOSA shit? I'm sure Feinstein doesn't like the idea of WV cops carrying in Cali on vacation. Obama hates guns, most of them hate guns, and I would get behind it. I think we could get GOA and NRA support." As an fyi the NRA supported LEOSA since it first was proposed by the FOP years ago, also using your rational no one should have a right to own and or carry concealed as both Feinstien and Obama (who by the way signed the revisions i.e.LEOSA into Law) would probably like just that. (total confiscation). For the record I have no issue with a national right to carry......... You can bet the neither Obama or Feinstein would care for this idea......... JMOP

Ryan, understand. however LEOSA is not state law it is federal which superceeds state law regardless of what the AG and the NJSP FD put out........ IMOP The state can and should retain the RPO program for those who need it (to obtain the required credential if their agency does not provide same),however they should acknowledge the spirit and intent of LEOSA as written. i.e. retired ID,qualify yearly and the ability to carry any weapon that is similar as that utilized to qualify and JHP are legal as they are not a violation of the NFA........ JMOP

Exactly......... Noticed several weeks ago on Wiki that someone had added there own interpretation that in NJ you were required to have the states permit to be compliant...........That is one of the trouble with wiki info it amy or may not be credible.JMOP

Smoke..... "Another benefit is he doesnt need to check his gun at the airport... if the pilot will let him carry he can". This only applies if you are on official duty with orders. If you try to bypass TSA under LEOSA you can and will be arrested. LEOSA does not apply to transportation such as airlines,cruise ships etc. Just an FYI

Griz,spot on,shame that it will take test case for the AG to go kicking and screaming to comply.

CS I agree who wants to be the test case,however this does not make it right. This is what is wrong with this state everything is designed to thwart the law abiding citizen. Some might say boo hoo at least you can get an RPO card, true but like everything else in this state it does not make it right. Here we have the king of liberals the president who signed the changes to LEOSA and we have a state attorney general who won't follow the law. Something is really screwed up with inmates running the asylum......... JMOP

Contrary to what the NJSP firearms branch and the State Attorney Generals office states Federal Law via LEOSA trumps state law. At this point the Attorney Generals office refuses to incorporate the changes made to the original act originally known as HR 218. Both the RPO web information and the information being given by the NJSP RPO section indicates that no change will be forthcoming, and if you do carry HP's as a retiree you are subject to being arrested. I was also told that even if your agency provides you with the required LEOSA ID you still must obtain a NJ RPO card which is contrary to what the wording and intent of LEOSA was designed to prevent. i.e. a hodge podge of state and local laws and requirements. The Lt of the RPO section even told me that state law trumps federal law........ No it does not........ In the absence of federal law the state laws do apply. The below is copied verbatim from the National FOP legal counsel in reference to the HP issue. "However, the Federal law does extend the exemption to allow the carriage of ammunition “not expressly prohibited by Federal law or subject to the provisions of the National Firearms Act.” This means that qualified active and retired law enforcement officers may carry ammunition in States which may have prohibited the possession of certain ammunition by persons not actively serving in law enforcement within that State". Magazine restrictions still apply as the revisions did not cover this area so in the absence of a federal law the state law does apply. Hope this is of assistance.

We can wear black out glasses, bring your weak hand ........

i'll take some of that will even just shoot weak hand only............

Understand and thanks for the feedback. I sometimes get carried away with my past experiences and get off track.....

High; No I must be confused as I did not realize that you were referring to training applications actually used in combat and or street survival forgive my ignorance. I only mentioned the video only as you stated CCTV coverage as it related to a martial artist un-arming and individual(bad guy). PS I am not trying to pi$$in your ear or start a fight........

High: just for the record I am not talking about training forums or videos. When real bullets fly your brain short circuits the training then kicks in and helps you get beyond that point of fight or flight. We can never train for that as we cannot actually simulate real combat, simunitions come close but when you know the rounds impacting are wax or what not it's just not the same. Good luck with your training and it sounds like you give the people you train your full measure. Be safe

High: "You will not rise to the occasion, you will default to the level of your training." No I meant in the heat of battle be it on the streets or in combat. In a fire fight most people will be lucky to achieve something even close to the level of training my 50% was just an arbitrary number. Our job is to just be better trained than the next guy.

"NOT in the middle of a fur-ball fight for their life so... None of this may be true". And there my friends lies the rub. People always tell you that you will rise to the level of your training.... horse @#$% when rounds are flying you can only hope to be at 50% of your training level. which is why you need to train harder and never give up the fight JMOP.

Griz this is probably the first time I gotta disagree with you."Drawing a BUG is always faster than clearing a malfunction though". Not that that means anything Any arm in hand should be able to be cleared and back in the fight far quicker then dropping one,drawing and re-engaging the threat that is JMOP..... also not a fan of giving up my weapon primary or back up to someone else but that's just me....... One of the great things about this forum is it gives us the opportunity to think about and discuss things like this.

One of the most important reasons beyond the need to reload is that most premature pistol stoppages that are not operator induced can be directly traced to the magazine. Coupled with the fact that if you do engage,fire and once clear to safely do so (read threat neutralized) you always need to exchange magazines and get ready should the need arise. One final note regarding the BUG is that you should/can always bring the weapon in your hand back into the fight far quicker then it takes to draw another concealed weapon. PROVIDED you still have extra ammo for the primary

Was there as well, good orientation, was surprised by the large group and number of members 2000+. Very nice place appears that as long as you adhere to safety (common sense) and regulations that apply to specific ranges you are free to do just about anything that you wish. ie draw from holsters, move forward of the line to shoot etc.

MS.They had a decent supply of owner from what I saw. Did not really look at the types available as I was good on everything but primers. Jack took me 6hrs from Woodbury but I took my time and stopped a couple of times......

Had a chance to take my daughter to a conference in Maine thinking it would be nice to get some lobsters as it has been a few years since going up there. Paid a visit to Cabelas and scored 4000 primers Large and small pistol. They had a decent supply of everything..... For someone from the northern pat of the state this would not be a bad day trip..... Well worth the trip and the lobsters were great

Five minutes not counting filing out the paperwork.......

There is some truth to this, The agency I work for would not likely look kindly on this. Most rank and file LEO's realize that most of this bill/laws are just vail attempts to show that the politicians are doing something. How is the war on drugs going, and think back to prohibition.......Even though only the law abiding citizens are affected. The International Chiefs of Police is very anti gun..... Most ( not all ) bosses then in turn tow the party line. Look at most big municipal cities and see the correlation between how the politicians in charge lean and the head LEO will lean right with them.

RVN combat vet. 1911,GAU5,M16,M-79, M-60, M-2, 12 Ga pump and XM174 Good thing about being on a M-113 did not have to hump the stuff,bad thing is everything goes in and out of that spun aluminum hull. Life Member MOPH,thanks to all who served. Welcome home.