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It's really surprising the difference in thinking. NJ and NY just reads about how drug addicts go into pharmacys and kill people. Captured by police, but the people are dead. My link SHAWNEE, Okla. — An expansion of the state’s “Make My Day” law now gives business owners and employees at businesses the right to use deadly force when there’s a fear of death. Before HB 1439 went into effect Tuesday, state law allowed individuals to use deadly force against intruders in their homes. The new addition to the law states that an owner, manager of or employee of a business, with a reasonable fear of death or imminent death, would have the right to use deadly force if threatened. When signing the bill into law in May, Gov. Mary Fallin said passage of the measure was a victory for law-abiding Oklahomans and gun owners and a defeat for the criminals who would threaten them. Scott Tucker, a pharmacist at Ralph’s Pharmacy in Tecumseh, was involved in an incident there last year when a suspect on a crime spree held up the pharmacy to get prescription pain killers. Tucker favors the new law and hopes it will help law-abiding citizens and deter the would-be thieves. “Maybe it’ll make them think twice before doing something stupid,” Tucker said, adding everybody should have the right to protect themselves. Tucker, who had a gun on the day of the crime spree, still has one behind the counter, he said, but he hopes that his gun “does nothing but collect dust.” Pharmacist David Nicklas, who really wasn’t aware of the new law, said he has no intention of having a firearm at Harrison Discount Pharmacy. While he is in favor of the right to bear arms, “We don’t do guns here...I don’t have any need for it,” he said. With other security measures already in place, Nicklas said they let police handle any issues. Phil Hartoon, owner of Hartoon’s Jewelers in Shawnee, supports the new law, although not much is changing for him. Hartoon, who experienced a robbery at his business more than 25 years ago, said that event forever changed him. For years, he has carried a gun with a concealed carry permit and said he wouldn’t hesitate using it to save his life or any employee’s life, but added he’s also not going to do anything to create a harmful situation. Hartoon said the new law is protection on his side as a business owner. “I support it 110 percent — it’s a step in the right direction,” he said, adding every business owner should have the right to protect themselves. While he’s not so sure the new law will truly be a deterrent for criminals who oftentimes have their own firearms, he’s hopeful it might make a difference. The state’s “Make My Day” law began in the 1980s. In 2006, lawmakers passed legislation that expanded self-defense rights from the home to other places, including someone else’s home, a vehicle or a street corner, with that law often referred to as “Stand Your Ground.” Copyright 2011 The Shawnee News-Star. Some rights reserved

My link Page 13 of chapter 4 of the driving manual. When I was taking my driving class in HS they called it a California stop.

Now that's something you don't see every day.

Ya need the kevlar option, but even then your feet are visible.

The NYPD is corrupt and out of control and needs to be stopped? 35,000 of them or a few bad apples who took advantage of their positions? I'm thinking that there will never be a large police force that pleases you. I think they're watched, and on video every day. Would video of police shooting people make you happy, really?

I'd take that seriously.

I figured that since the subject was frivolous lawsuit material. Honestly both situations are very similar. Guy stabbing other guy , guy getting stabbed, and guy purposely laying under scooter should all be shot, then keep it up until normal is normal again. I guess a few million each would settle it too.

All my target holders have less than 5 fingers...but fingers last longer all the time now.

Yeah they could have just shot the knife out of his hand.

Okay I'd go along with that, but that isn't what is expected of NY or NJ police...and CCW is pretty much them at the moment anyway.

I don't always agree with Shane, but you're making the same point. The police are not there to judge and were right not to shoot him. Not right by a little, or depending on a circumstance, 100% right not to shoot him. I'd think a tazer could have been a good choice, but I'm not trained in tazer use.

Glad you got it out

Small sheet metal screw and plyers? And get something hard and non-marring to use for leverage...maybe a plastic cutting board (to put under the plyers).

It's on my facebook, and I'll be emailing that one around.

Well that's a terrible story.

See, I was thinking 6yrs. Personally I think at least 20yrs is good, but I doubt that will happen.

What would this guy actually get time wise? Just curious if anyone knows.

From what I can tell you can get an online dealer to ship one to NJ, but it's illegal to accept it. If you have an FID you can have one no matter where you bought it. The point is the paperwork, NJ wants the paperwork to be filled out when you purchase one. The laws that apply to firearms apply to BB guns in NJ.

cool beans

I don't know about on the ground, but I think I remember hearing about a change in commercial flight patterns. Maybe that changes where the military will fly on a daily basis too.

sent this to Wideners: "BER8000F Brand New Beretta 8000 F (9mm) White 3 Dot Sights $528.00 I'm sure it's an error, as New Jersey allows 15rd magazines....or am I missing something? " Got this back: "We are sorry but Company Policy Prevents us from Shipping to N.J. WRSSI Wideners Reloading & Shooting Supply, Inc. Customer Service [email protected] 1-800-615-3006 - Orders 1-423-282-6786 - Support 1-423-282-6651 - fax www.wideners.com"

I think the wording of laws can be taken more than one way. This particular one could be an honest mistake because the people making the laws don't understand what they're writing about. I on the other hand think they wrote the laws this way because they still want to be able to charge you with a high capacity violation if you're caught doing something else illegal. There will always be different interpretations of the law until someone goes to court and clarifies each aspect with a judgement, or the state police produce a guide that clarifies things.