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Suppose you were in that situation and got the shotgun from the bad guy, but lost your phone what would you do? Do you just walk into the closest store with the shotgun and say "can I borrow your phone?"

That was really interesting. Does any one know what that thing that waved in front of the target on the "combat range" was? At first I though it was a target they were suppose to hit but it seemed to move way to fast to be hit (at least by your average cop/shooter). It was really cool seeing that right there they would reload the spent casings using the lead collected from the bullet catchers. I wonder if any ranges still do that? Even though most ammo is jacketed because lead has a much lower melting point you could separate it relativity easily.

13/13 Those were all very easy. I admit though that the fracking question would have gotten me if they had thrown in oil as one of the answers. I really want to know how less then 50% of people do not know the basics about lasers or atoms?

Do you have a source for this. I'd like to know the actual numbers that those polls are coming up with. Is this an actual ligitament thing or is it simply a case where the 90% number is simply a rounded up number from like 88%.

Though if that were the case, I would think they would start selling them with out the springs just to flood the market with mags in any state that faces a potential mag ban. People could always get the springs later from them or find there own spring.

Nope never heard of them, of course I never paid much attention to them. At least for me frisbees were always one of those toys that if we wanted to play with one there was always a couple lying around. If one broke, got lost, or what ever, just search around the garage and you would find another one. I don't recall my parrents ever buying them or recieving them as gifts, they were just there. I belive all of the ones we had growing up came in thoses cheep bundeles of stuff, like beach toys.

So I was in the store today looking for somthing fun to do while at a BBQ, and this flying disk caught my eye. More specifically the bottom corner of the package which has an American with MADE IN U.S.A. under it. So I bought it and when I got home I checked out thier website. http://aerobie.com/products.htm They mostly make frisbie type prouducts, though they do also have a coffee maker press, which is a bit odd. It looks like every thing they make is made in the USA with the possible exeptions of the football toys. The football toys are the only two items that do not specifically say made in the USA on the prouduct page.

I am kind of neutral on this. On one hand we are getting more jobs back here in America. On the other hand the money is still going back to China. Considering that most of their products are still going to be coming out of China, I think this is more of a publicity stunt, So they can say "We proudly Make in America" while in reality what you end up buying most likely still comes from China.

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OH GOD!!!!!!!!!!!! I JUST MADE A MUCH WORST DISCOVERY!!!!! THIS COMPANY WITH TIES TO THE FEDERAL GOV'T HAS ALSO DESIGNED THESES TARGETS AS WELL!!! THEY ARE ADVERTISED WITH "PREPARE FOR THE IMPENDING APOCALYPSE WITH THESE INCREDIBLY REALISTIC UNDEAD TARGETS"!!!!! IT OBVIOUSLY CAN ONLY MEAN ONE THING!!!! THE GOVERMENT IS PREPARING FOR THE ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE!!!!! THINK ABOUT IT, ZOMBIE TARGETS, THE BILLIONS OF ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION BOUGHT BY THE DHS, EVEN THOSE "NO MORE HESITATION"!!!! FOR THE ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE YOU ARE GOING TO NEED YOU ARE GOING TO NEED ALL THAT AMMUNITION AND TRAINING IN ZOMBIE KILLING!!!! YOU ARE ALSO GOING TO RUN INTO ALL SORTS OF HOSTILE SURVIVERS THAT HAVE NO PROBLEM KILLING YOU TO TAKE YOUR SUPPLIES!!!! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!! Seriously though this company sells all types of targets. These "No More Hesitation" targets are not some new thing they just came out with. Can they be considered in bad taste? Sure. That does not mean they do not have a valid training purpose. I can think of a dozen scenarios where an officer might find themselves is a similar situation as those targets. On top of that Do you really think some one shooting at a paper target is really going to create less hesitation in an officers response in a real life situation. For training purposes those targets would be better suited for a course were you have both hostile and non hostile targets. By throwing some of those targets into the course you could teach officers to pay better attention to the situation.

This is not any thing new, they have been selling these targets for a while now. They sell all sorts of targets. About a 1 1/2 ago I wanted some silhouette targets to shoot at. At the local stores the best price I had ever found was like $1 a target and that was only the one time I had found it that cheep. On average it was like $1.50-$1.75, so I went looking online. I ended up on Law Enforcement targets website. I ended up buying a bunch of terrorist and hostage targets, instead of the silhouettes since I figured they would be a more fun targets and It was only $0.55 per target. They had those “No More Hesitation" targets when I looked back then. They also sell a... hand targets I guess they are called (I am having trouble with thier website to check what they are actually called) which allow you to change what the person is holding. About my only complaint I have about the targets I have is I still have them. I have not been out shooting as often as I like, and the indoor range closest to me does not allow you to bring your own targets.

I hope those of you that are planning on taking the bus have a back up plan to get there as well. I would expect things to get nasty once the realize that you are agains them. I would not be surprised if the cops get called. Any way still wish I could make it, but I am still half way around the world.

Sounds like we all have learned some really good lessons here. While honestly we stood very little chance at this level to change their minds we can use what we learned in the future. Remember there is still another 23 or so bils comming down. While I was not there due to being out of country I was following the audio feed untill I had to go to bed, and the forums. Things that it sounds like we need to do for the future 1) Do not put all for which bills you want to speek for list every one out, possibly leaving one or two out. 2) Find any all star speakers and try to arrange for them to speak more often. 3) Since The anti's never change their playbook research every last thing they said, since they probably try the exact same arguments the next time. For example during the magizine limits Bryan Miller (At least I think it was him, was quite tired at that point since it was like 3 or 4 in the morninig here and I was still up listening to it.) named a numbr of shootings that the bad guy was not stopped until his magizine went empty. I would not be surrprised if it turned out the bad guy had used up all his ammo, and did not have a spare magazine. 4) If possible record our own hidef video of the whole thing, and put it out for the world to see. (bonus if we could get a camera set up behind them so we would see exacty what they are dooing.) Feel free to add more to this list of things we learned. Currently I am trying to download the entire audio file so I my self can research the anti's points.

Can some one just give a brief naritive of the content in the video I really don't want to watch it, much less give it even one more view to add to the view count

Wish I could go but I am currently in another country. I wish those of you tht are going the best of luck. I would not mind some one posting the going ons in that meeting while it was happening to keep those of us that can not make it informed

Funny, just earlier this week my brother's friend posted the video of the Sandy Hook dad arguing agains further gun control. One that friend's friend than jumped in saying how she can not see how gun owners believe they are going to be turned into criminals, the laws passed will not affect current arsenals, they are not coming for your guns, and the laws are common sense. You know the usual anti-gun rhetoric. Thats when my brother spoke up and said "I was going to write a long-winded reply involving criminals who probably won't get background checks as they illegally aquire firearms and having a multi-month waiting period to exercise your rights (can you imagine if you had to be background checked and wait months to tell us why you don't understand gun owners?), but (the original friends name) is usually much more eloquent with these things" With that post I was now able to see the conversation unfold, though I could not comment my self since I was not friends with the original poster. Of course the woman replied with more of the usual anti-gun rhetoric which my brother responded with some greatly written counter points easily shoting down the anti-gun rhetoric. It goes back and forth like this for a couple of posts, my brother brother doing a great job defending the Second Amendment. Now durring that exchange she tried the "Founding Fathers could never have envisioned" argument. My brother's response was "Does freedom of speech end at the automated printing press? telegraph? telephone? internet? No. Technology has NO effect on your rights." After reading all of that I sent him a message telling him he did a great job debating firearms, and just as some gee whiz information that there were rapid fire firearms back than and send him the link to the to the wikipedia page for the Girandoni air rifle. By this time My brother's friend had come back and made the same point I was telling my brother,though instead of using the Girandoni air rifle to make the point, he pointed to two other rapid fire weapon systems that I had never knew existed. First The Puckle Gun which was invented in 1718. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun It's basicly a 11 shot flintlock revolver cannon Hmm... Now that I think about it, If you where to make a scaled down one would it be considered an Assalt Weopon in NJ because it whould have smooth bore (which would make it a shot gun) and a revolving cylinder? Second The Belton flintlock Invention date unknown other than it was prior to 1777 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belton_flintlock Capable of firing 16 or 20 balls in 16,10, or 5 seconds. While infomation on this firearm is limited to correspondence between Belton and Congress, it is theorized to have worked like a roman candle. Pull the triger and the flintlock igniting a fuse which than procedes to ignite a series of stacked charges in a single barrel. Mutiple rounds fired in succession out of a single with just a single pull of a triger, that at the very least sounds like a machinegun, and I believe it would actually qualify as one accourding to the ATF. If you can't tell I am very proud of my little brother. I'd never heard him get into a debate about firearms before, nor did I think he paid much attention to the debate. So me seeing him debating the subject like an expert was awesome.

While surfing Youtube I came across this video review for Disse Amerihide belts. While I personaly do not often carry a firearm with me, I do wear a belt every day. Now in the past I have just bought a cheap belt from walmart. Usually they last about a year before they start coming apart. Recently I decided I am going to start trying to buy more American made prouducts. This belt looks like it will fit the bill nicely. A well Made in America tough belt, with the bonus of being designed to carry a firearm. http://dissegear.com/amerihide-dual-layer-leather-belts-c-16/ As a heads up the rest of there prouducts do not seem to be american made (At least the couple or random itms I clicked on all said imported) Faliaphotography does reviews on Firearms and Firearm related/survival equipment, and likes to point out when things are American Made like this Spork Made by American Kami who makes hand made knives and other blades http://www.americankami.com/index.html Which all look very nice LOL...Sporks Okay, I can't be the only one who finds the name Spork funny.

Be on the look out for any members of AL-Gebra, They are to be considered extreamly dangerous.

Nope you forgot one very important detail, the magazine is outside the pistol grip. It is still an AW unless California AW ban does not have that part, which I highly doubt. I do wish some one was making a modern C96, than I might be able to actually buy one

call up the company and explain the situation maybe they will understand the situation and instead charge the FFL the restocking fee instead

I think "XX Rounds Of FU" would be a cool saying to etch on to a magazine. (XX obviously being the number of rounds that magazine holds)

I have never sold a firearm so I do not know what the process is, nor have I yet bought on in NJ yet. As long as the FFL dealer is getting his usual transfer fee why wouldn't an FFL dealer do the transfer. Sure he could probably get more money by buying the guns himself then selling them, but like in the case above unless they have a lot of spare money laying around I doubt that the could afford to buy all of them up. Even if the could who knows how long it would take to sell, and may take up valuable space for a long time. Besides I am sure there have to be plenty of FFL dealers that are very pro gun that would be willing to pass on making the maximum amount of money on some firearms to help other pro gun owners especially when doing so is not really costing them any thing.

The normal transfer fees would be a giving. I mentioned the $1 dollar thing because I am not really sure how the laws for FFL dealers work in NJ. I thought there might be some law that prevents a diect transfer through an FFL dealer and the FFL dealer had to buy the firearm and then sell the firearm. Yea it's kind of sad that I don't really know NJ's firearm laws, but basicly being exempt from all that stupidity is awesome. If Such thing could be done couldn't you technically buy the pistols without a PP, you just could not recieve them from the FFL. So as long as the FFL was fine with holding onto the pistols until you got your PP, you could buy as many those pistols as you could afford.

Is there any reason that we can not orginize a counter to the buy backs like have happened at other states. While I am pretty sure a face to face transfer is illegal in NJ,I am sure we could find a couple of FFL dealers that would be willing to help out. You stake out the buy back looking for a some one with a firearm you would like and make an offer. If the person accepts you both go to the FFL dealer. You then give the FFL dealer the cash and he buys the firearm from the person who was going to turn it in. The FFL dealer than sells the firearm to you for like a $1

which is kind of ironic considering they were in short supply when they where originaly desperatly needed