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The requirement for training is just another slippery slope. Citizens of the United States who are indoctrinated by our education system are supposed to learn the basics of our Constitution by the time they reach legal voting age. That's how the system has been set up. Whether it works that way is questionable for some, based on how the votes go these days. Those who graduate from high school "should" have an understanding of our government by age eighteen. Those who come to this country who want to become citizens have to take a test before they enjoy the freedoms afforded to American citizenship. (But, we know that that's not true either.) Citizenship test sampler: http://www.uscis.gov...000082ca60aRCRD Judging from the cast of clowns we have as elected officials, it's apparent that some who vote are an embarrassment as American's. I'll bet many who are voting age today would struggle with that test for U.S. Citizenship.

Load seven rounds and you'll be fine. While the semi-auto laws are somewhat less vague, the law is specific enough to go into detail and note that you can only load your lever-action rifle with seven rounds and the same holds true for your pump shotgun. If you have reviewed the original SAFE Act document produced in January, to the one that out there now, it has changed a number of times, in ways becoming more definitive, and others more vague. It will continue to be an evolving process.

Good cartridge!

If you're Chris Cuomo buying a shotgun. (25 minutes!) The video piece is actually a bit surprising. http://www.cnn.com/2....html?hpt=hp_t1

Good forum to join if you are one of them modern muzzleloader types: http://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/phpBB/ Good book, covers antique and modern styles: http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/publications/black-powder.php

Based on those pictures, that stock will never warp now. Is this a 7mm-08?

Four & a half-minutes of mayhem: Sam Peckinpah's final scene in "The Wild Bunch"

Mike Orlen in Mass. or Briley if you want to wait a bit longer for turnaround and pay a bit more. Both are good. If you're building a purpose-built shotgun, say for turkey or waterfowl, have the 'smith lengthen the forcing cone as well. It will handle heavy payloads of shot better. A barrel set up specifically for a specialized purpose would be better than a stock replacement barrel. You just have to weigh the costs. Another alternative: Curtis Wilbanks does good work and he specializes in building turkey guns. http://www.guncustomizing.com/

A quick look at centerfire lever-actions: http://www.chuckhawks.com/lever_action.htm Early Winchester's pre-64 (but there are some post-64 years you should stay away from,) and Marlin's from the pre-Remington days are all worth the scratch and wait looking for. Any Browning (B92, 71, 86, 95) made by Miroku are all well made and worth the money. New Winchester's are well made and are also by Miroku but the tang safety designed by lawyers turns me off. Marlin's by design are the simplest to field strip, have the fewest parts, and are less complex in design than their Winchester counterparts.

Definitely don't practice within earshot of any Presidential motorcades - http://njgunforums.c...__fromsearch__1

Woefully anemic except under the most controlled of environments. A "controlled environment" would be defined as a sniper's hide from the bathroom window to the tomato garden 30' below.

Not yet. Maybe in 2014. http://njgunforums.c...ments-for-2014/

Neat!

I don't think I've read a single article spawned by the media about firearms that accurately reflects the current definitions surrounding firearms. The clip vs. magazine descriptor has been beaten to death as we all know. Sadly, the unknowing who read these articles, if they do actually read; gain the wrong information.

I'm pretty sure Gov. Christie announced the formation of his SAFE Task Force back in mid-January, with a commitment to produce findings and/or recommendations within "60 days" of its creation. Wonder what they'll have to say?

Good article on New Yorkers coping with the SAFE Act. (Tom King has been at the forefront of the endeavor to fight this and he deserves every vote for NRA BoD.) AR-15 is front, center in NY SAFE Act debate If you've seen any war movie or walked past an on-duty soldier, you've seen this rifle: an AR-15, the civilian version of the semiautomatic rifle that remains standard issue for the U.S. military. But as Kevin Zacharewicz held his AR-15 alongside other rifles in his Round Lake store, Zack's Sports, he chuckled and called it "my big bad wolf." Depending on where you sit in the debate over appropriate forms of gun control, you could look at an AR-15 and ask one of two questions. The first: What legitimate purpose is there for anybody to own a gun designed for the military? The second: What makes it any more dangerous or problematic than any other kind of firearm? "I can't answer that question. I was raised having these guns," said Zacharewicz, a 41-year-old Clifton Park native. "Why do people golf? Why do you have a standard transmission versus an automatic? I really don't know." Rochester Police Chief James Sheppard says guns like the AR-15 are just deadlier, period, and should be banned for the same reason that a kitchen knife is legal but a switchblade is not. "These rifles are basically replicas of military armament, and they are designed to efficiently kill people," Sheppard said. "In civilian life, that's not something you need or want." After high-profile shootings in Aurora, Colo.; Newtown, Conn.; and the Rochester suburb of Webster, President Barack Obama last week renewed his push for federal lawmakers to tighten gun laws. The Capital Region, too, has seen rifle-wielding outlaws set off dangerous situations. On Jan. 10, 2009, a gang member wanted in Hartford fired 28 rounds at State Police with a semiautomatic rifle during a traffic stop on I-90 in East Greenbush. The resulting standoff left the man dead and shut down the highway for hours. On Dec. 14, 1994, a man with a bolt-action rifle held a classroom full of University at Albany students hostage for several hours. He shot one student as he was wrestled to the ground; a law enforcement official said the outcome could have been worse if the rifle had been semiautomatic. Congress is considering a more stringent requirement for background checks and debating the renewal of all or part of the pre-2004 assault weapons ban that prohibited the sale of automatic weapons like the AK-47 and Uzi. New York did not wait, and tightened gun control laws at the urging of Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo at the start of this year with the passage of the NY SAFE Act. The act broadened the definition of banned assault weapons, reduced the amount of rounds that can be possessed in a gun magazine, increased penalties for illegal gun possession, reduced public access to gun permit information, and required mental health professionals to report concerns about a gun-owning patient who poses a risk of harming himself or others. New York law already included a ban on "assault weapons," which were defined as semiautomatic rifles with the ability to accept a detachable magazine and two items on a list of prohibited features: a flash suppressor, a folding or collapsible stock, a pistol grip, a thumbhole stock, a second handgrip for the non-trigger hand, a bayonet mount or a grenade launcher. Under the act, the ban would be triggered by any one of those features. Their sale or transfer is restricted, and gun owners must register them with the state by next January, or be subject to a misdemeanor charge and possible forfeiture. Gun owners have steeled themselves in opposition to the act since it was passed, staging rallies in upstate cities and at the Capitol. Forums, including two last week in Brunswick and Canandaigua, draw hundreds of concerned people. Roughly four dozen upstate county legislatures have passed resolutions opposing the new law. Read more: http://www.timesunio...p#ixzz2PsnoUIxY

For 'edumacational' purposes only, take a brief read through the new SAFE Act site they recently updated after the changes since January. It's interesting. http://www.governor....eact/gun-reform

I gagged when I heard about this earlier today. Talk about grandstanding. I thought the link from the Gannet Company's paper was the most inflating to the message, hence the reason I chose link. http://www.democrata...ic-schneiderman video http://c.brightcove....e=1365294173453

Nice M21 & Mauser 96!

I guess they are following through on their threat. http://www.opposingv...tm_medium=email By Dabney Bailey, Thu, April 04, 2013 New legislation is forcing gun manufacturing company Beretta to uproot and take their business elsewhere. Established in 1526, Beretta holds the distinction of being the oldest active firearms manufacturer in the world. The U.S. factory is located in Accokeek, Maryland, and has been a staple of the local economy for years. Beretta warned that stricter gun control laws would push the company outside of state lines, but that didn’t stop Maryland legislators. Jeffrey Reh, a spokesman for Beretta who also serves as the President of Stoeger Industries under Beretta, announced that the company would begrudgingly uproot and take its business elsewhere. He said, “We don’t want to do this, we’re not willing to do this, but obviously this legislation has caused us a serious level of concern within our company.” He added that Beretta paid approximately $31 million in taxes, employs 400 people, and had invested $73 million in the business over the past several decades. Despite being such a prominent player in the local economy, Beretta was unable to prevent legislators from passing tighter gun control laws. Ironically, Beretta manufactures some firearms that are now banned in Maryland. Republican state Delegate Anthony J. O’Donnell lamented: “Losing [beretta] would be a big disappointment. Maryland has a reputation for having a horrible business climate, and this would be one more nail in the coffin.” Legislators had ample warning. Back in the ‘90s, when Maryland beefed up gun control laws, Beretta moved one of its warehouses a short drive away to Virginia. Beretta’s bold move is regrettable but understandable. Reh told reporters, “Why expand in a place where the people who built the gun couldn’t buy it?” All of Beretta’s pleas fell on deaf ears. Even as Reh lamented Beretta’s looming departure and emphasized the company’s centrality in the local economy during the hearing, Maryland legislators grilled Reh on self-defense. One legislator stated: “Other than target shooting, the only other reason [for a semi-automic firearm] would be for self-defense… [Why would you need a] rifle that accommodates 20 rounds semi-automatic for deer hunting? … It’s only very infrequently that someone commits a crime with an assault weapon – why do you need one for self-defense?” *It must be because they are making them new-fangled "semi-automic" firearms!

My question was a rhetorical one. Unfortunately, we all know the method to this madness. When that handgun list was first leaked publicly in 2010 on the internet, there were almost 400,000 names on there as registered handgun owners.That's a bit of paperwork to get done by May.

She staggered the panel and audience using the word "efficacy" in a sentence. Makes you wonder sometimes if most other decisions they make about anything are as equally lame-brained.

This is the opt-out form. Note that you have to provide a reason to opt-out. I wonder if there is a right or wrong answer here? http://www2.erie.gov...mption_Form.pdf

Hmmm, I guess nothing is free? This is just the beginning and only one county with11,000 so far to be processed. Wait until the rush from everyone in the state to have this data processed so as to be blocked from public access. If 11,000 is costing one county $177,000, the final tally statewide is going to be greater. The video is a good watch: http://www.whec.com/...9.shtml?cat=566 Governor Cuomo reacts to costs surrounding SAFE Act Posted at: 04/02/2013 10:32 PM By: Lynette Adams | WHEC.com For the first time, News10NBC is hearing from the governor about the mounting costs surrounding the SAFE Act. The governor was in downtown Rochester Tuesday afternoon for a ceremonial signing of the budget. Monroe County says, so far, the new gun law has cost the taxpayer at least $177,000 and that's just for the opt out program where gun owners submit paperwork to keep their information private. The county says it's received more than 11,000 forms. So why are taxpayers being forced to pay that bill? News10NBC took the county clerk's concern to the governor and asked about reimbursements to counties. Monroe County Clerk Cheryl Dinolfo says her office is processing about 250 New York State Police opt out forms everyday. Dinolfo said, “A prior statement was there isn't any cost to county governments and I would simply say that I think the paperwork that you see here in front of you is illustrated of really the weight of the implementation of the plan which obviously takes manpower and every time we divert money from programs to fund things like processing opt out forms we're really taking money from taxpayers in Monroe County.” New York SAFE Act states that any costs associated with implementing this new law will come out of the state police budget.

I like your Model 12.