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in reading about it a bit - I'll pass also, Ray. and I realized - your southpawness is what makes you like the Remmy vs the Mossy - which is fine. (we're not starting that argument again )

that kind of price is kind of an insult to the people of NJ. it's pretty much Trenton saying: "we're gonna charge you an insane amount for a CCW - an unheard of amount in any other state - just because we can/want to"

welcome!!! :ph34r: lurker...

welcome!

you notice that man being interviewed in front of Bullet Hole

for those that can easily afford it - sure it's good. for me personally (and many others)- $500+ per year is very steep. pretty much prohibitive.

I second most things said on this thread - basically everything Smity said $500 - so outrageous that it's definitely discrimination. they're just trying to avoid lawsuits, which I hope will happen anyway. Cryin' Bryan's response is ridiculous - that's what happens in America - criminals don't know who is armed and if you're a law abiding citizen "standing in line at a grocery store, at a movie theater, sitting next to someone in a church or anywhere" why would you be concerned if someone next to you is legally carrying a gun?

c'mon Ray, I knew that. I was just stating my opinion. we're supposedly civilized, and I know I'd rather die than eat humans, especially children. I mean, we're not tribesmen running around the rain forest with loincloths and sticks through our noses. if you've read that part of the comic, the leader of "the hunters" said that they gave up hunting animals because it was too difficult and decided that hunting humans was easier. he had also basically said that they killed and ate their children, and after that, killing and eating strangers was easy. It wasn't a situation like in "the Road" where there's nothing at all to eat, and even then, I'd rather die than eat humans. it's not like in "Alive" where they eat already dead frozen people because there is nothing else and they hope for a rescue.

whoa!!! what is that?

and boy do they cost $$$ .... and don't forget the videos....

that's a sniper cannon!

ok - just finished #11 - "Fear the Hunters" - more crazy stuff. and to those of us with kids, really thought provoking. that whole incident with the Hunters I found very disturbing. I guess you can't really really decide until you're put into the situation, but there is no way I'm killing and eating my own children. I'd starve to death or just off myself before I do that. or other people's children, or other people for that matter. I think we cease being human at the point that we start killing and eating other humans.

BADA-BUMP!!!! ok, so who's going on Sunday??? a slight change in my plans for the better - my family & I (wife + 2 kids) are actually gonna be inthe parade, riding in Glenn's WWII scout car. in our conversation last night, he said that it could comfortably fit maybe 3-4 more people. Glenn asked me to extend an invitation to any other NJGF members that may want to ride the scout car in the parade! Glenn - the pic is gone, you wanna re-post it?

thanks guys, it's been educational for me as well. and just for the record, I don't think anyone in this tread was fearmongering or trying to say that the money will run out. we were just trying to understand...

you guys ever heard of Natirar? it's a huge park, used to be an estate, there's a mansion on a hill. a lake nearby, arable land. not great as far as defense, but we could do something about that.

I had wondered the same thing for a while now. as I understand it and I'm no economist: we're a "service economy" - we produce "knowledge" and technology and skills. but most importantly (and not to start a heated political discussion here) we just produce money - we print it or put into ones and zeroes and transfer virtual money back and forth. perhaps someone more knowledgeable can clarify....

that German video is pretty cool. it would be nice to have something like that around here, but BIGGER!!! American style... Good point Ron on the magazine restrictions....

I dunno about letting the zombies in, but that a jail is a safe place to stay in case of zombie apocalypse was showcased well enough in the Walking Dead series... so we can what they did...

but you'd have to fight through the zombie horde to get into NYC and into the harbor. if we do the ship thing - I think there's plenty of yachts docked in South Jersey. The South team isn't organized at all, so we just go over there and grab the boats. It'll be like Battlestar Galactica, but on water... with zombies...

ahhhhhhh. now I understand. I'm slow, guys. Shane, Ken, thanks. in that case: MORE EVENTS! MORE MEETUPS! and promotional items. at least that's a start. flyers/cards/t-shirts for NJGF & NJSHOOT just to make people aware that we exist and bring shooters together. and then, Ken's idea for a shooting park - that'd be great! but it's far off... for now, we can start getting the word out...

wasn't there a similar thread somewhere, about our goals as a shooting community, or maybe it was from the 2AS ... anywhooo what I'd like to see: #1 no Pistol Permits OGAM - not so important to me as I don't see myself going on a pistol shopping spree anytime soon. #2 CCW that one is important to me personally, as I feel we should be able to protect ourselves & loved ones not just in the home #3 Castle Doctrine/Clearer Self Defense Laws #4 no more "hi-cap" magazine ban. to me, CCW & Castle Doctrine are something I'd like to see first, but the 15 round maximum is a PITA. #5 ANY OF THE ABOVE... anything at all to benefit the shooting community in NJ would be really good.

hey Steve! welcome!

if it was up to me, I'd start them around 7 - 9 years old. especially the younger, the boy. boys and guns, you know. I know I've always had a fascination with them. so let's say he'd be 7, my daughter would be 10 or so... if it was up to my wife, she said 13. and mind you, this is just for "the talk" not the actual shooting. we'll probably have to revise her stance on it as the kids get older and I get more guns

Zombieworld is a tough place, with tough decisions. and some of those kids... especially if they're bound to grow up like their parents, I'd use for zombie bait in a heartbeat! there's a couple that are smart and polite that I'd save. the rest - zombie candy! like I said, if all hell breaks loose, I'm goin' to Glenn's house!Edited by Tim

+1 good bye Italian Gangsters - hello Russian Computer Programmers