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He used the phrase "common sense" three times, "sensible" twice and "rational" once, referred to HR 822 as "insane" and of course mentioned that his aim is "not to get rid of guns." Same tactic as Mayor Menino's mubled statement that "we both support the Second Amendment" in his Super Bowl commercial with Bloomberg, or Carolyn McCarthy referring to herself as a "gun safety advocate." Belittle your opposition and use meaningless catch phrases rather than engage in any rational discourse, that is their strategy. In any conversation or debate with these idiots they need to be called out on their lies.

Well that answers my question.

Does anyone know anything about Charles Mainor, the new Chair of the Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee. Gordon Johnson, the previous chair, is a total disaster on 2A and other issues and was a lost cause. Mainor is a former Jersey City detective. At the beginning of the hearing he claimed to have an open mind and to do what is right not popular. It would be great if we could hold him to his word. For example, the committee is what keeps the CCW bill from ever getting to the assembly. We could make a lot of progress if he is indeed open minded and rational. We all **** and moan about the inability to make progress on 2A issues, but we don't necessarily need to have massive success in an election. Having a pro 2A or even a 2A netural person as Attorney General and the head of this committee would go a long ways. I assume NJ2AS and ANJRPC are on top of that and have or will reached out to him.

Well, it would be NJ legal. If you are looking for a rifle with a collapsible stock and a flash surpressor that would seem to solve the problem. Putting the ugly factor aside, it probably is pretty functional as a self-defense tool. Very handy, easy to maneuver, fast rate of fire if you know how to handle a lever action. Would more useful in 38/357 for that purpose. That said, I still wouldn't buy one.

Hmmm, her hearing is on March 19 in NYC. Wouldn't that be a good opportunity for a 2A rally on the courthouse steps? NY and NJ statewide and grass roots organizations could join together. Hello, NY State Rifle and Pistol Association and ANJRPC?? Maybe even the SAF and NRA? Think we could get more than 5 people? I think if you had at least 100 it would have an impact and wouldn't look pathetic. 1000 people, and people would take notice. 5,000 and you'd get national attention. I work in NY and would attend.

Wow, I thought I was a pessimist when it comes to change in NJ gun laws. I do believe that there is a reasonable likelihood of some change in the next five years. A lot will depend on the election in November, obviously. If HR 822 passes in the Senate and is signed into law, I think that will highlight the absurdity of NJ's CCW laws. Also, when people like Peter Valone in NY start saying that NY gun laws are too strict and need to be reconsidered it seems clear that change is in the air. Combine that with the increased publicity garnered by the efforts of NJ2AS, GFH, ANJRPC, etc. and I think that we just might see some change in NJ are the broken permitting system and perhaps CCW at some point. Although the AWB is idiotic, the fact remains that we can go out an buy ARs, mini-14s, M-1s, etc., etc. The "assault weapon" moniker is deeply ingrained in the public conciousness and it gives people false comfort to know that such evil creations are "banned" even if the "ban" only applies to meaningless cosmetic features. I can't see that changing any time soon.

I put a small NRA sticker in my back windshield a couple of years ago. My car has been keyed -- twice -- since then. Even though it never happened to me before, the first time I thought it was just stupid kids, but after the second time I realized that it is probably the sticker. Oh how I wish I had caught them in the act. Actually, probably better that I didn't because there is a good chance that the encounter wouldn't have ended peacefully. Funny how anti-gun activists paint gun owners as paranoid and violent. In my experience, it is the "other side" that fits that bill for the most part. Since becoming a gun owner 4 years ago, I gradually came to realize that the gun owners I meet at the range, in training classes, in meetings of 2A groups, etc., are some of the nicest, most decent people around. Black, white, Jewish, Christian, white collar, blue collar, it hasn't mattered. It's been great to see people from different walks of life coming together for a common cause and exhibiting some good old fashioned patriotism to boot. As for the OP's question, I came out of the closet gradually. At first I got snide comments and a few nasty remarks from a few people at my synagogue, but none of those people was actually interested in having an intelligent discussion on the topic. I am pretty moderate and open minded, but no one even tried to engage in a conversation -- only snide remarks and jokes. I found that quite telling. Now, I really couldn't give two sh**ts what anyone thinks about it.

Only possible benefit I could see would be if you had such a large number that it made the news. I doubt that would happen and even if it did, I agree that the reaction of the majority of the people in this state would be "good, the law is working!". Here is what might wake a few people up: A rally in Trenton where 10,000 gun owners participate. Even 5,000 would probably do it. I know it's been suggested and maybe even tried before with no success. But it should in theory be possible if the ANJRPC took the lead, with help from every local gun club in the state, NJ2AS, Gunforhire radio, etc.

The Supreme Court denied the petition for certiorari in the Masciandaro case, so there won't be any Supreme Court review of the question of whether the 2A applies outside the home this year. What I am wondering is if they wouldn't hear this case, what if anything makes it likely that they will ever grant cert to hear a CCW case?

Man, I am really enjoying the sh*tstorm this legislation is kicking up in NJ. Just imagine if it actually passes.

I've joined and donated to both and the one thing they certainly have in common is that they bombard you with solicitations and superflous sh*t. The SAF sent me an usolicited DVD and then asked me to either pay for it or send it back. Not cool.

I agree that the problem isn't NJSP and probably not local law enforcement either, for the most part. The tone comes from the top -- the AG's office directly, and indirectly the governor. Even with a Democratic lock on the legislature, Christie, via his AG, could do a lot more to make life easier for law abiding gun owners in NJ. Don't forget that Alabama is also technically a "may issue" state, but in that state permits are almost always granted to law abiding citizens. For example, our AG could issue a directive and/or build into the administrative code guidance that "justifiable need" includes self defense without having to show an actual and immediate threat. Many local police chiefs would likely follow such a directive and the state police almost certainly would. Granted, you'd still have to get approved by a judge, but I'm guessing that with clear guidance from the AG and a stamp of approval from Trenton, or maybe with a bit of pressure from Trenton, many judges would feel compelled to start granting more CCW permits. Seems to me that although our legislature is a lost cause, trying to make progress at the state executive level could help us IF (and that's a big if) the big boy in the state house would cooperate.

Although this legislation won't really help us much in NJ, it gives me great joy to watch Lautenberg, McCarthy, Schumer, etc. squirm in their seats. If this passes the Senate and survives an Obama veto it will also provide many hours of entertainment as 2/3 of the NJ legislature starts foaming at the mouth and has a massive collective stroke. It will also be quite interesting to see what stance, if any, our porcine governor and his new AG take on this. Will there really be an effort to repeal CCW in NJ altogether and deny retired LEOs the privilege they've come to enjoy? If not that, I most definitely could see the AG's office issuing a directive to state and local law enforcement to the effect that anyone found with an out of state CCW permit must be taken in and detained until such time as the validity of that permit can be determined. I understand that only 12 states or so participate in a program whereby an LEO can check a computerized database to confirm the validity of a CCW permit. I have no doubt that law enforcement in NJ will give anyone with an out of state CCW who comes into this state a very, very hard time notwithstanding the new law.

I love listening to Hank Johnson. He is the Congressman from Georgia who was concerned that the Island of Guam might "tip over" if too many Marines are stationed there. That is on Youtube if you haven't seen it. He definitely road the little bus to school and is the perfect advocate for increased gun control. You just have to smile when he opens his mouth and rambles.

1. Under HR 822, you cannot carry in your own state in reliance on an out of state permit. That is clear. 2. For us in NJ, HR 822, if passed would mean that we could carry in NY in reliance on a non-resident permit from another state (eg Florida, Utah), but could not carry in NJ. 3. This may be naive, but if HR 822 passes, I think it might be a positive for our CCW rights in NJ. Even our clueless politicians may come to realize how absurd it will be if out of state visitors can carry here but not our own citizens. On the other hand, I could see them easily going the other way and simply banning CCW altogether.

A range in North Jersey? Either the Bullethole in Belleville or Patterson gunsmithing (or whatever it's called now) in Patterson. I somehow doubt this happened at Cherry Ridge or Tenafly, and there ain't many other ranges in North Jersey.

Ah, Carolyn McCarthy, the "gun safety" advocate. I wish people called her out on that. Her idea of gun safety sure is simple -- don't own one! It's as if you showed up for a defensive driving course and were advised to never drive. Voila! I'd like to see the NRA send McCarthy, the crypt keeper, Chuckles Schumer and the other "gun safety" advocates an open letter inviting them to promote the "Eddie Eagle" safety program in schools as a first step towards working together.

It all comes down to your personal comfort level and situation -- what are your kids like, how old are they, how responsible are they, have you openly discussed firearms with them and why they should never go near one without you around, etc. I have three kids (13 and under) and personally feel comfortable leaving my Remington 870 (plain vanilla with a wooden stock, 18" replacement barrel) loaded with 4 rounds in the tube but without a round in the chamber in my gun cabinet just as others have suggested. I have a buttstock sleeve with another 5 rounds on the gun. Also, keep in mind that you have the option of setting the 870 so that you won't be able to rack the slide without engaging the slide release. My cabinet has a key lock, which is kept in a small combination key safe right on top of the cabinet. I didn't feel comfortable leaving my key anywhere my kids could potentially easily get to it, and didn't think I'd be able to have on my person at all times. I can get to it in under 30 seconds. I depend on having some advanced warning of a break-in via my alarm system which is armed every night. I recommend hanging a light on the 870 using a barrel clamp, with a pressure pad attached. Makes for an affordable, reliable and very effective HD gun without all the tacticool doo dads. Good luck and stay safe!

I have purchased from CZ custom and had their trigger work done. You won't be disappointed (and their prices are as good as well).

It reall is as if we are living in a different country, or a different world. Last night's election really drove home to me how hard it will be to ever bring about change in this state. In my District --37 -- the incumbents won by a huge 2:1 margin, despite having legitimate Republican challengers who ran what I thought was a fairly active campaign. With those margins, I don't see how it will ever be possible to unseat the liberal Democrats in my District or other Districts with similar demographics.

You may recall that there is another CCW case -- Masciandaro v US -- that may be heard by the Supreme Court this term. The Court has not yet considered whether to grant cert (agreed to hear the case) pending receipt of all of the plaintifs briefs. Those briefs were submitted October 27 and I see that on November 1 the cert petition will be heard November 22. I think that is a big date for us. If the Court does agree to hear the case this term the SAF NJ case will either be moot (if the Court decides the 2A doesn't apply outside the home) or will have new legs (if the Court decides that the 2A does apply outside the home). The plaintiff is represented by Gura and I understand that he thinks this case has a good shot to be heard by the Court. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

I tried but found the show unwatchable. The interaction with "customers" and the family's interactions with one another are canned and non-spontaneous. The father is an annoying pompopus tool. The mother is a plastic surgery disaster. Thanks, but no thanks.

OK. The model I have -- the P226 E2, has the "reduced reach trigger and the SRT short reset trigger system." Thanks for the clarification. I have never fired a Sig without the SRT so can't speak to it. All I know is that the trigger on my 226 is excellent. I will say that the old model Sigs without the modified reduced grip were too big for my hand. Another, very important factor to ocnsider. The OP definitely should try before he buys, as others have said.

All of the pistols I own, other than a Kahr and a 1911, are DA/SA. The CZ and HK I own are great guns, but the DA trigger pull is gritty and long. The Sig by far has the best trigger of any of them. If you get the Sig, make sure it has the SRT (short reset trigger). I think, but am not sure, that all new Sig 226 models have the SRT. Personally, I prefer the Sig trigger to a glock and find the gun very, very accurate. It makes and excellent range gun and a fine gun to use in tactical pistol classes.

The problem is that, when judges are so idealogically biased, even a supreme court ruling in our favor won't necessarily help. If an when this gets to the supreme court we really need that decision to be explicit and strict scrutiny to be applied in order to give the ruling any teeth. Given the way things are developing politically, part of me believes that we might see a legislative solution before we see a legal solution if the swing to the right continues.