Wojo

Nick - What time and what train?

Just looking for air time....who gives an eff about what Madison's council has to say?

I like Natchez have spent some serious coin with them. Never a problem and pretty fast shipping. Even during this latest crisis, they have shipped in a respectable time frame.

I thought about bringing my 14 yo son who is 6'. But, do I really want to expose him to Trenton? And heaven forbid, this turns ugly, I don't want to worry about his safety.

In all these posts, I am surprised that there isn't a decent response from an ANJRPC Official to quell this negativity or to set the record straight. Now that we know someone on this board is reporting on our, (or at least my comments) to executives at ANJRPC, that they would have the decency and professionalism to respond? Yea, I know that was pretty naive of me to think that.

I am in total agreement about the need to stand together and that is why I am very disappointed in Mr Bach's response to my legitimate criticisms. I don't think I am alone in the feeling of a 'holier then thou' demeanor in his rebuttal. The fact that NJ2A is starting to show them up is probably a thorn under the saddle. I've attended many meetings in the past during the public session. They do have a paid lobbyist down in Trenton and have the ear of several connected people which is important. This is what Scott Bach refers to as heavy lifting. Whether or not they are making head-way is subjective. I don't think we have lost any ground, but haven't seen anything tangible to show we are making progress. The newsletter we get 6 times a year provides filtered updates on the politics in Trenton. And of course they are going to make themselves look good in their own newsletter. During the pre-election cycle when I attended my last meeting, it didn't seem like we made any major strides forward...then again in the closed door portion of the meeting they could've shared more information. (I stopped attending meetings because of scheduling conflicts, on a very tight budget and need to conserve gas money / car wear. And really the same things were always getting re-hashed... paper or plastic debates). I can say that our lobbyist reported to have a positive and somewhat of a personal relationship with Joe Kyrillos (the 2nd Amendment dodger ) and claimed that he 'wasn't' anti-gun. Yea, neither was BHO during his first campaign. Bottom line is IMHO, is that ANJRPC could do A LOT more grassroots stuff in conjunction with the 'heavy lifting' in Trenton. While new members are pouring in, many of the long time members are being distanced and are disappointed. And this avoidance of NYS's new laws, the Trenton Rally and lack of any current information on the home page certainly make my point. I can go on, but it wouldn't be productive.

So are M1's older then 50 years old are ok, but newer ones are not? ATF Home Publications Firearms Curios or Relics List Firearms Curios or Relics List A regulation implementing Federal firearms laws, 27 CFR Section 478.11, defines C&R firearms as those which are of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as C&R items, 478.11 specifies that firearms must fall within one of the following categories: Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas of such firearms; Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event.

Sarcasm is my gift that I share freely. If you read my exchange with ANJRPC today in the CR thread, you will have the details and the basis of my sarcastic statement. (no sarcasm this go around)

Don't worry about a thing, ANJRPC is doing heavy lifting in Trenton. They got it so covered, they don't even have to encourage members to contact our representatives that we won't tolerater NY laws in NJ. Sent from my BlackBerry 9670 using Tapatalk

GlassFanta....no question at all man a real natural death could occur. An unnatural death sooner then later is more likely considering how this Muslim Brotherhood is play the game now.

To be fully accurate and also to make sure whatever troll on here is reporting back to ANJRPC what is said on this board, let me post the entire conversation. Start at the bottom... Sorry, the economy makes it necessary for me to spend my very limited gas funds wisely. If there was anything inaccurate that I stated, please let me know. Good luck with the heavy lifting. Sometimes it helps to have more bodies instread of alienating people. Scott > Subject: Re: Resignation from LE Liaison > To: > From: > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:25:46 +0000 > > Perhaps we might have reached out to you had we not been shocked by your public bashing of us on a forum, when you hadn't even shown up at a board meeting or attempted to raise the issues with us first. > ------Original Message------ > From: scott watkowski > To: Scott L. Bach > To: Jeff > To: Anthony Colandro > Subject: Re: Resignation from LE Liaison > Sent: Jan 15, 2013 5:06 PM > > Thanks for the reply Scott. > > As far as not being reappointed, perhaps a message letting me know would have been professional. > > As far as heavy lifting in Trenton, I would classify a statewide rally IN Trenton part of heavy lifting > > Regards, > Scott > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Scott L. Bach" > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 21:59:56 > To: < > Subject: Re: Resignation from LE Liaison > > Scott: > > You were not reappointed to that position, so there is nothing to resign from. > > You had free reign to do whatever you wanted with that position, with pretty much any resources you needed. We were looking to you for leadership in that area. > > I'm sorry you are disappointed with our online presence, which is being overhauled. > > However, our primary focus is doing the heavy lifting in Trenton, which is non-stop, thankless, often cannot and should not be discussed publicly. > > - Scott > ------------------------------------------------ > Sent from BlackBerry > From: scott watkowski <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 16:08:58 -0500 > Subject: Resignation from LE Liaison > > > Good afternoon Gentlemen. > > Please be advised that I am resigning from the Law Enforcement Liaison position. Nothing really goes on and Mike can hold up the fort. > > PS - Why in the hell aren't we offering a bus or a presence down in Trenton on February 8th? > > Are going to be sending out emails about this rally? > > Are we going to respond to NY's recent move to strip down the 2nd Amendment. > > When you go to our home page, it should be more up to date with current events. I have to say, I am greatly disappointed in the way the organization handles things as important as what is going on. It takes us 6 months to determine whether we want paper or plastic while start up groups are running circles around us. Shameful it is. > > Yours in Liberty... > Scott > Sent from BlackBerry Oops...edited to not give email addresses. I might be a dick, buy I have no real ill will against them personally. But as an organization....jeez. Geritol for all.

I send an email to ANJRPC asking why they aren't promoting this and how come their home page has nothing on it about the current situation. I was told they are busy doing 'heavy lifting in Trenton' and not going to be involved with this type of thing. Well EXCUSE the EFFF out of me!!!! WTF would you call a statewide rally!!! Friggin, BS, stupid organization full of fossils that think the old way of doing business is going to work in times like see. You can read the transcript on the CR thread.

Look in the Cherry Ridge thread. I sent an email to Scott Bach about the lack of current information on the home page and why ANJRPC isn't doing anything to rally the troops. I waited like 6 months to renew my membership which will not be renewed again.

Well, I went to a higher member today...Scott Bach. Wojo - Why in the hell aren't we offering a bus or a presence down in Trenton on February 8th? Are going to be sending out emails about this rally? Are we going to respond to NY's recent move to strip down the 2nd Amendment. When you go to our home page, it should be more up to date with current events. I have to say, I am greatly disappointed in the way the organization handles things as important as what is going on. It takes us 6 months to determine whether we want paper or plastic while start up groups are running circles around us. Shameful it is. Scott Bach - I'm sorry you are disappointed with our online presence, which is being overhauled. However, our primary focus is doing the heavy lifting in Trenton, which is non-stop, thankless, often cannot and should not be discussed publicly. Wojo - Thanks for the reply Scott. As far as not being reappointed, perhaps a message letting me know would have been professional. As far as heavy lifting in Trenton, I would classify a statewide rally IN Trenton part of heavy lifting.

If you go to ANJRPC's home page there is NOTHING about the rally on the 8th. There is NOTHING about NY's recent anti-2A move. I just sent Scott Bach and a few others my resignation from my committee position and pointed out how badly they are failing us in this quick moving tide of legislation. G-damn it.

I predict a conservative Supreme Court Justice will die by an alleged accident or 'natural' causes within 90 days so O'Dictator can ramrod the 'Revisionist' 2nd Amendment down our throats. I hate saying this, but who could put anything past this administration?

So I was in NY State at Davis Sporting Goods which is just over the NJ/NY border on Rte 17. Nice place, good people. I was picking my Remington that I left a deposit on and there were about 15 people all panic buying at the gun counter. The staff was overwhelmed, but very polite and professional dealing with the madness and anger people were showing. As the gravity of what Cuomo was passing people were literally starting to freak out. One guy in particular had a case of I'm better than you. He was a retired cop and was trying to explain that he should be exempt from the 7 round law. As they told him there wasn't any known exemptions, he decided to buy some 7 round magazines. Which of course no has and probably won't for a year. He lost it and asked a bunch of questions and I politely told him to buy a 1911 or a Sig 220 Compact or something similar. How can I defend myself with anything less then 10 rounds he asked. Yea, he just had an ahhh-haaa moment as a civilian. Watched one guy who knew nothing about AR's drop over $3k on a nice Armalite Target M-15, rifle case and a bunch of ammo. I was talking to him for awhile while we were waiting for our NICS. I asked why did he want this if he had no knowledge about AR's (bird hunter / skeet shooter). He said because there are Zombies coming from Albany and Washington and they are all wearing suits. I had to laugh at that one. Guys, it is about to get REAL....REAL ugly out there. If you aren't going to Trenton, then you just don't care enough.

Boycotted them years ago. Tried ordering a AR sight tool and they won't send it....done.

Look, I was the LE Liasion for 6 years. I tried jumped thru all the hoops, brought in the information requested from Appleseed (insurance, liabilities), etc...zero traction. I guess if I felt like spending another 5 years of pushing, maybe I could've gotten one day of the two day program eventually. That exercise really put a damper on my volunteer efforts. Appleseeds are great for new shooters and as part of community outreach program. Plus, it is one helluva markmanship program.

Who? The college campus, the teacher's union, the media circus, the left side of the aisle in Trenton, the NJSP, ...

Nick, most people in NJ have NO idea what our gun laws are. They only know the lies promoted by the media and King Bloomberg.

Forget it...I tried to bring in an Appleseed Program that would only use the 22 range over a weekend and that was met with all sorts of issues. Appleseed has insurance, meets all the NRA Safety criteria and then some. I think the fact that they actually teach US history, the importantance of marksmanship in shaping our history and doing some rapid fire drills is what scared people off.

Most people in NJ are idiots...look at our governors, senators, congressmen.

Thanks for all the input so far. Any of this will be done far from the house in the car-port behind my garage. Agreed, if you are that close working with molten metals, proper eye / respiration / burn protection needs to be in place. I have some lead laying around, mixture of sinkers, tire weights and some preformed ingots. I guess my first steps will be to buy the furnance and ingot molds so I can have some clean lead ready for use when I am ready for the next steps. As suggested, run a bunch of practice castings in each mold before getting into the QC mode. I have figured that sizing dies were a given with casting lead unless you were making ball rounds for black powder.

Oh, I'm getting into this. My reference book list and equipment list are developing. This is one of my last areas I want to have in place before the big Crunch. I want to buy the right (quality) things for time around that will last. A big question for me is the aluminum molds...costs are low, but are they really that prone to damage? And what type / brand of electric furnace? I am leaning towards the bottom pour types in lieu of open top. As a backup, what kind of melting pot can I stick into a wood burning stove?