Wojo

Vinyl coated bicycle cable or dog cable secured to an eye-bolt is low tech but can work if in the right spot.

Looking at this thread, the majority of people were trying to help you out and it seems you got some good information. Like most times, a couple of whiners piss in the thread and get all butt-hurt when they get told to stay in their lane. Stay safe out there bouncing. I've done more then my fair share of it and know all too well there is always one person that seems to catch you by surprise. And crazy cat fights are the most dangerous to break up. Cheers.

Just feel the need to be Capt. Obvious here for those that are missing the big picture. The OP needed some help finding ammo and people started to provide help and even an offering of some private stash ammo. Some chimed in bitching about their dislike of the current situation and felt the need to flame those that had some coin or were forward thinkers. FWIW - My buddy scored a 1k rounds of 9mm and 45ACP last night on line so it is out there. Many of us saw this coming and is why we stocked up. Most of us own several common calibers of firearms so we will essentially never be completely without ammo for a firearm. 7mm-08 isn't one of those. Supply and Demand will balance out at some point. I think it is safe to say that 90% of the ammo buyers are not the extreme buyers that they are being presented to be. I for one am not buying anything for stuff I don't own. I get a lot more value buying reloading supplies. Throw in some big orders for DHS / GSA / and other agencies, plus a war going on, restocking from Iraq, resupplying for the next two or three wars, a dictator in the White House and we have the perfect storm for ammo shortages. Don't forget that the tens or hundreds of thousands of new shooters who are now buying ammo also play a part in this. At some point, people will run out of room and finances to purchase more ammo. Gun Store stock will start aging and gathering dust at some point, production lines will resume a normal work week and prices will drop with the increased supply. Economics 101 here. I'm also sure, many of us no longer shoot as many rounds at the range as we used to before this crunch. Me, I reload the Speer Plastic Bullets that are reusable and are fired and driven by only the primer for my practice sessions. This allows me to save my 'real' ammo. A HUGE thanks to NJ-Joni for turning me on to these years ago during a ARF get together shoot in South Jersey. OP - Good luck with your search. It is out there, you just have to look a little harder and longer to get what you need. As of this morning, I saw a bunch of 357 at Melzers when I stopped in, but that is probably too far north to do you any good. I stopped in because I was working across the street at Boro Hall. Rolling Stones, "You may not always get what you want, but you can get what you need"

So you are pissed that people with cash have bought ammo and in your opinion, too much ammo. You are pissed, that YOU waited too long to stock up. I see that you share many of the "it is about me" complaints that Obama supporters have. And the people that saw this coming for the last 5 years are supposed to redistribute their wealth to benefit you? Got it. "Expect the best, plan for the worst and prepare to be surprised" - Denis Waitley "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity" - Martin Luther King Jr. Edit - - As of this morning Natchez has some 7-08. This is managed recoil so your man-gina doesn't get jarred during recoil. If you saved your drinking money for ammo, you might be able to afford more boxes at these prices. Priorities. http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=RT27660&lsrc=NZ&utm_source=NZ&src=BE1144&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=03212013Remington

Doesn't hurt to talk to your local shops about when they get shipments in and make sure you are there when it gets unloaded. Funny how when years ago when BHO was a candidate, and lots of us 'preppers' stocked up deep were called nuts. Now, we are commodity traders...like we intended. Me, I bought heavy in reloading components. Word to the wise, if you see the band-wagon coming, there already isn't enough room on it for you. You got to have your own wagon.

I will see if can make it. A friend and neighbor got his Doctorate in "A Study of Police Preparedness". Let's just say, they aren't as prepared as they would like to be. And, you really can't stop someone if they are hell bent if you aren't already in place. http://scholarship.shu.edu/dissertations/1/

Yes, in a casino they will question why you need it staying there. If they don't, their security should be fired.

I'm friends with him on FB and he is active. Don't forget, his primary residence is in NH...or VT. He escaped this commie state.

No such thing as having too much ammo in uncertain times. Barring of course a structural collapse from the weight...or a fire.

He spoke at the Trenton rally. Where you there?

This is an old post but it came up as I did a search. I just put a deposit on in that was in stock and will pick it up next week. I was looking for a pump action 308 to compliment my Remington 7600 Carbine in 30-06 pump. But, I saw this and thought I must have it. I have a 308 bolt gun but with all the BS going on, wanted to make sure I get a few more box magazine fed bolt or pump actions. A news update on magazines for this is that the price has come down to under $30 for the 10's, 5's and 3's. Still a little pricy, but that is the going rate for Remy 7600 mags. My Tikka 5 rounders are close to $60 for a polymer. And my old AR10-T the mags were in the $75-$110 dollar range. So $30 isn't going to make me cry.

That sucks, but, they are refunding your money and not forcing you to take something you aren't happy with. They should include the fees for NICS and NJSP's extorion fees to let you exercise your 2A rights.

Just look at that recent shooting of a special needs person and their assistant when a Camden Cop shot thru his door without verifying his target. Or Joe Biden suggesting to blast thru a door. The last thing 99% of good citizens want to do is shoot someone who means them no harm.

I appreciate the offer. When are you heading there again? I've got some pretty heavy car repairs looming on the horizon which will take some time and money to deal with. Thankfully I'm a gear head so doing a clutch on one car one weekend and hub / bearings / ball joints on another weekend is par for the course.

Buy some pepper spray and a nice blade in country. Don't wear an expensive watch or clothing. Also, make sure if you get robbed at an ATM, you have limited funds in it or that it can't connect to other accounts while you are away. Prepaid cards for vacation are a good idea and keep your real ATM hidden someplace to only be used in an emergency.

What if he already has his own gun?

On the Darwin thing...my position is that if one of these guys gets shot, odds are this isn't the first crime they committed a crime and his luck just ran out. Odds are, if they are willing to break into your house, they are capable of doing or have harmed some innocent people prior. Rapists rarely get caught the first time. People who commit violent acts in the commision of a crime may not have killed someone in a premeditated manner, but they certainly were prepared to cause some major physical harm if confronted. That is why 67% of crimes are commited by more then one person at a time according to the FBI. Hence my position of having enough firepower for a single hit taking them out of the fight. That is why I keep a 45 in the night stand,... to get me to my 12 gauge. My point being...they force their way into my house uninvited, they are going to have a choice to hit the deck or be hit by some lead. There will be no other opinions. I don't mean going all Camden cop and shooting thru the door at some lost pizza dude or stranded motorist ringing my bell, But if you elect to run, you're getting the butt of a firearm crashing into your skill as hard as I can thrust it if I can get you before you leave. I'm not going to shoot you in the back, but I will chase you and detain you until the PD show up. I spent too many years bouncing at a Newark bar to be scared by some strung out dirt bag. Ask my neighbors, I've chased and whomped black bears that have pissed me off. A single-phuck I don't give.

I am really interested. This would be a great way for my 14yr son to get his feet wet. He turns 15 in November this might be a nice thing to do with him. Thanks for posting this.

I love that they do this when the working class is actually working. So by having it in Paterson during the day, we can only imagine what element is going to be represented. This state sucks.

Just for some entertainment and lively discussions I figured I would post this. My twins are starting to cover the Reveloutionary War. Of course I am adding to what isn't covered in the school's version. So, what say you about history repeating itself here? You can draw many parallels from these 5 Act to what we are experiencing right now. I'll say it again, if this were 1776, we'd be shooting by now. The Boston Massacre is not that far off. One match to set the entire powder keg off is all that is needed. The Boston Port Act: The first of these closed the port of Boston until the East India Company was paid for the lost tea. This created a great hardship for the people of Boston whose livlihood depended on trade. (Energy Indepence denied...Keystone, Off shore oil, The EPA, 'Favored Nation' Trade Status ...) Massachusetts Government Act: The second modified the Massachusetts Charter of 1691, taking away many of its rights of self-government. It was aimed at punishing Boston and forcing it out of resistance. Almost all positions in the colonial government wer to be appointment by the governor or directly by the King. Activities of town meetings were limited. Massachusetts was very proud of its independence and was angry at this infringement on its rights. (Czars, ATF, DOJ, The 10th Amendment being raped, ...) Administration of Justice Act: The third measure provided that British officials accused of committing crimes in a colony might be taken to England for trial. Because it wold mean witnesses would be forced to travel, the practical effect was thought to be that the British officials would escape justice. (Executive Pardons, Administrative Leave, Elected Officials being above the law, ...) The Quartering Act: The fourth measure allowed the British to quarter British soldiers in colonial buildings at the expense of the colonists, including colonists' homes, if there were insufficient space in other buildings. (Our taxes pay for quarters of LEO, the Military, other various agencies) The Quebec Act: The fifth act extended the boundaries of the province of Quebec. Because Quebec did not have representative assemblies, many colonists thought this transfer of land from the colonies to unrepresented Quebec was another attempt to punish the colonies and solidify British control. (Giving foreign interests a say in our government operations; UN, Egypt, China, ...) Check out the Paul Revere created image on this link http://www.historywiz.com/intolerable.htm

My nightstand safe is bolted on 3 sides to the night stand. They would have to steal the entire bulky nightstand and then at a later time start breaking into it. My long gun his hidden in something discrete in my closet. The basement has my safe which is pretty fast to get into and is camo'd as stacked boxes. My garage has a shotty and a pistol again, hidden and secure in creative ways where only a good amount of time would uncover. These guys know they have between 3 to 5 minutes in most cases to get in and get out. You would be surprised at how fast a well trained gang can cover a house. 2 peeps per floor with gym bags can get away with a lot of goodies in 3 minutes.

We used to wear our standard OD flight suit and then an orange exposure / flight suit over it in AK. I too lost my pistol in between the suits. Yes, that was an interesting experience because I noticed it when I got up to climb out of the HH-3F (Jolly Green Giant / Pelican) to refuel.

Non-Combat, but certainly in some HOT situations. During the Reagan years, I was on a cutter patrolling what went thru the Panama Canal and did some 'Humanitarian' support in Central America. The reality was on several occasions we would pick up and deploy small Ranger groups to do their thing on the mainland. We were also looking for Soviet military material going into Central America and did in fact turn away a lot of stuff...plus doing the drug searches which was always good for some strees. Lots of boardings on foreign vessels with M16's, 1911's and a Remington 870 or 11-87. The 92F's were just getting issued and our Captain thought they were crap so we stuck with our 1911's...Good man he was. I was also trained on the Browning M2 that was tripod mounted on the cutter and got to play overlord in case it hit the fan. At the time, our 76mm cannon was not operational so we just faked it by letting it track targets. Going Airedale in Alaska...I used to keep my personal Mini-14F in Stainless with a pair a 30 round factory mags in my flight bag and a Dan Wesson 357 stainless strapped to my thigh in my flight suit.

Damn, I missed this...I'm from Bloomingdale as well. When did all you guys pop in?...Butler too?

Was in West NY / North Bergen today working and now home in mid Passaic County. Some horizontal rain pellets...that's about it. Temp high 30's.