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Crap...I have a 1 1/2 bricks left of Thunderturd and just bought 4 - 525 Packs of Remy Golden...I hope the Plinkster eats them. Anyone experience any ammo problems with their 10/22's? Why, just why can't things be simple.

+1 on Sporting Clays. I've only done it once and really had a great time. Way more fun the trap / skeet to me.

From my understanding the young man is a master of shooting skeet / trap. I mean busting birds behind the back, between the legs and other trick shots from what I heard from his mother and sister who is our baby sitter and is now in medical school. Good family, dad is a long time skeet shooter. Hand guns are the missing component. Like many of us he has dabbled with throwing knifes, archery, blow guns, sling shots, etc. But this NJ and hand guns are evil so he hasn't had any exposure to them. Not much you can do on short notice except a lot of dry firing, techniques and operation stuff...clearing jams, diagnosing your technique / problems by POI etc. I'm excited for him.

Thanks again for all the input. It could be they need a break in period too. After this weekend, they should be pretty well broken in.

Thanks for the link. That is what it felt like, not fully wound. How much resistance should I feel loading the rounds in say when I get to 8, 9 or 10?

I wish I could have had the time to buy an older style 10/22 instead of these rotary style configuration ones.

Strange...maybe I was fubar'ing it some how. It seemed to happen the first time or two I loaded two mags, the third didn't do it. As the time went on, it never happened again. I am glad that there aren't any known issues.

I picked up a stainless / synthetic 10/22 today from Dick's, along with a Tru-Glo Red dot and a few magazines. Question, do these rotary mags suck or what? I know I am new to these things, but I had a couple of instances where the (I guess) recoil spring wasn't spinning the round up so the bolt could catch it. I'm thinking do I need to preload the spring, feed the squirrel, or is it a poor design. They were factory Ruger mags so they ought to be GTG. Please share any collective wisdom on these mag's. All in all, I was pretty happy how it shot. Windy as hell at CR today.

I kid you not. Just got the call this evening about a neighbor's son who has lots of experience with shotguns made the cut after someone else couldn't make it for Top Shot. He has no experience with handguns or service rifles so I will offering some crash instruction before he heads out this weekend. Good to see more Jersey influence on the show. Although, I only caught one episode of this current season.

I bought a 10/22 Weather Warrior or something, stainless and synthetic this morning and had it at Cherry Ridge this afternoon. With the price of ammo, I figure my and son and I will be using 22LR primarily and then went it counts, I'll switch over to my AR. Plus it was an excuse to buy another rifle.

No real meetings, just using the forums to keep up to date on things. People are scattered all over the state. Although, you have our state coordinator not to far from you.

Sure, what ever works.

Well last nights meeting was very interesting. On some levels disturbing but nothing really new or surprising to anyone reading the Tea Leaves of our current situation. I was encouraged at how much support we are getting from all levels of law enforcement, military groups and civilians. It is safe to say, that at least 60% of active LEO's will follow the Rules of an OK. NJ and Gun Laws is a different story however. FWIW, keep a good supply of food, pay down as much as your debt as you can, keep a chunk of cash on hand and spend some of the money you are buying more ammo and guns with on some gold or silver coins. We have a cheap book out, but you can download here for free. If you want a hard copy contact me and I can mail one out to you for $8 including postage. I have to buy them and just rounding up the cost to the next dollar to keep it round numbers. Disaster Ready People for a Disaster Ready America

That's kinda of funny in a way. Okay you're American Marine, now don't look threatening. (Ah, duh, isn't that the point?) Even in skivvies, most of our guys look threatening. Being PC has no place in a combat zone.

Just got the phone this morning with my Risk Analyst, 8 year Marine, White House / Embassy later in his service, enlisted in 87 confirmed what I said. When they were in the Philippines doing some ops, the butter bar won't issue ammo unless they were fired upon!!! When Commandant Kelly left, Marines were allowed to be Marines is what he told me.

Some think Samuel Colt is the messiah, but true believers know it is John Moses Browning.

Frank, I believe they have an Associate Membership status or something similar. While I am a believer, I'm of the opinion that they could tone it down a bit. It is more in the spirit of Colonial times. A lot of us / people who have had close encounters with death, tend to have special relationship with our creator, whatever name you call it is up to you. Drop in and see what is going on.

The parts and discussions were solely based on the AR15 - 223 DPMS / Bushmaster platform. FWIW, I bought an Armalite AR10T - 24" HB that hated anything other then match or bench rest primers. Accurate as hell, but it was an ammo prima-dona, pissed me off for sure. I know it was a correctable issue with springs, but it still annoyed me. I also had an Eagle Arms 20" upper for it and took it white tail hunting. I had a nice 6 pointer dialed in at short range and dropped the hammer only to hear click and no bang. Dimpled the primer, but not enough. It was on Gun Broker within a week of getting home.

Shane, I'm not disagreeing with you or any of the DPMS crew. Even by your example, the custom shops pay attention to more details and takes the base model up a notch. This is what separates a Toyota from a Lexus, a Chevy to a Cadillac. The base model works, but those who demand a higher level of performance spend a little more money to tweak it to meet their expectations. You and I may call a rifle a POS if it can't group .5 MOA off a bag, where as 90% of the population is happy to hit black in a 3 MOA group. Granted, even if the US Post Office is 99.9998% on the money, that means there still is a butt load of mail is screwed up because of the sheer volume. But, I have held a bunch of parts in my own hands from DPMS that were passed around to the class and we were going WTF? I mean shear surfaces that were left in the rough, hammers that weren't true squared, elongated holes in the lowers etc. Yes, if .5% is bad, then that can equate to a lot of bad parts. By comparison, there were also a significant amount of parts from Olympic and considering how many less rifles are sold by them, the percentage of sub standard product is exponentially higher that they produce. Thankfully, the AR platform allows the end user to correct most of these issues.

The OK's are primarily prior and active duty military and LEO's who have taken an Oath to defend the Constitution. We have no political agenda, although it does come into the mix. We are not the Tea Party, but many members belong to both. We are not looking for or hope to have anarchy, but law and order according to the Constitution. The links above state it better then I can. But what I cut and pasted below will give you a good idea of the Mission Statement. Boys, there are storm clouds on the horizon. Orders We Will Not Obey “The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their Houses, and Farms, are to be pillaged and destroyed, and they consigned to a State of Wretchedness from which no human efforts will probably deliver them. The fate of unborn Millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this army” -- Gen. George Washington, to his troops before the battle of Long Island Such a time is near at hand again. The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this Army -- and this Marine Corps, This Air Force, This Navy and the National Guard and police units of these sovereign states. Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, peace officers, fire-fighters, and veterans who swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic … and meant it. We won’t “just follow orders.” Below is our declaration of orders we will NOT obey because we will consider them unconstitutional (and thus unlawful) and immoral violations of the natural rights of the people. Such orders would be acts of war against the American people by their own government, and thus acts of treason. We will not make war against our own people. We will not commit treason. We will defend the Republic. Declaration of Orders We Will NOT Obey Recognizing that we each swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and affirming that we are guardians of the Republic, of the principles in our Declaration of Independence, and of the rights of our people, we affirm and declare the following: 1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people. The attempt to disarm the people on April 19, 1775 was the spark of open conflict in the American Revolution. That vile attempt was an act of war, and the American people fought back in justified, righteous self-defense of their natural rights. Any such order today would also be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason. We will not make war on our own people, and we will not commit treason by obeying any such treasonous order. Nor will we assist, or support any such attempt to disarm the people by other government entities, either state or federal. In addition, we affirm that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to preserve the military power of the people so that they will, in the last resort, have effective final recourse to arms and to the God of Hosts in the face of tyranny. Accordingly, we oppose any and all further infringements on the right of the people to keep and bear arms. In particular we oppose a renewal of the misnamed “assault-weapons” ban or the enactment of H.R. 45 (which would register and track gun owners like convicted pedophiles). 2. We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects -- such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons. One of the causes of the American Revolution was the use of “writs of assistance,” which were essentially warrantless searches because there was no requirement of a showing of probable cause to a judge, and the first fiery embers of American resistance were born in opposition to those infamous writs. The Founders considered all warrantless searches to be unreasonable and egregious. It was to prevent a repeat of such violations of the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects that the Fourth Amendment was written. We expect that sweeping warrantless searches of homes and vehicles, under some pretext, will be the means used to attempt to disarm the people. 3. We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to trial by military tribunal. One of the causes of the American Revolution was the denial of the right to jury trial, the use of admiralty courts (military tribunals) instead, and the application of the laws of war to the colonists. After that experience, and being well aware of the infamous Star Chamber in English history, the Founders ensured that the international laws of war would apply only to foreign enemies, not to the American people. Thus, the Article III Treason Clause establishes the only constitutional form of trial for an American, not serving in the military, who is accused of making war on his own nation. Such a trial for treason must be before a civilian jury, not a tribunal. The international laws of war do not trump our Bill of Rights. We reject as illegitimate any such claimed power, as did the Supreme Court in Ex Parte Milligan (1865). Any attempt to apply the laws of war to American civilians, under any pretext, such as against domestic “militia” groups the government brands “domestic terrorists,” is an act of war and an act of treason. 4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state, or to enter with force into a state, without the express consent and invitation of that state’s legislature and governor. One of the causes of the American Revolution was the attempt “to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power” by disbanding the Massachusetts legislature and appointing General Gage as “military governor.” The attempt to disarm the people of Massachusetts during that martial law sparked our Revolution. Accordingly, the power to impose martial law – the absolute rule over the people by a military officer with his will alone being law – is nowhere enumerated in our Constitution. Further, it is the militia of a state and of the several states that the Constitution contemplates being used in any context, during any emergency within a state, not the standing army. The imposition of martial law by the national government over a state and its people, treating them as an occupied enemy nation, is an act of war. Such an attempted suspension of the Constitution and Bill of Rights voids the compact with the states and with the people. 5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty and declares the national government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union. In response to the obscene growth of federal power and to the absurdly totalitarian claimed powers of the Executive, upwards of 20 states are considering, have considered, or have passed courageous resolutions affirming states rights and sovereignty. Those resolutions follow in the honored and revered footsteps of Jefferson and Madison in their Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions, and likewise seek to enforce the Constitution by affirming the very same principles of our Declaration, Constitution, and Bill of Rights that we Oath Keepers recognize and affirm. Chief among those principles is that ours is a dual sovereignty system, with the people of each state retaining all powers not granted to the national government they created, and thus the people of each state reserved to themselves the right to judge when the national government they created has voided the compact between the states by asserting powers never granted. Upon the declaration by a state that such a breach has occurred, we will not obey orders to force that state to submit to the national government. 6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps. One of the causes of the American Revolution was the blockade of Boston, and the occupying of that city by the British military, under martial law. Once hostilities began, the people of Boston were tricked into turning in their arms in exchange for safe passage, but were then forbidden to leave. That confinement of the residents of an entire city was an act of war. Such tactics were repeated by the Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto, and by the Imperial Japanese in Nanking, turning entire cities into death camps. Any such order to disarm and confine the people of an American city will be an act of war and thus an act of treason. 7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext. Mass, forced internment into concentration camps was a hallmark of every fascist and communist dictatorship in the 20th Century. Such internment was unfortunately even used against American citizens of Japanese descent during World War II. Whenever a government interns its own people, it treats them like an occupied enemy population. Oppressive governments often use the internment of women and children to break the will of the men fighting for their liberty – as was done to the Boers, to the Jewish resisters in the Warsaw Ghetto, and to the Chechens, for example. Such a vile order to forcibly intern Americans without charges or trial would be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason, regardless of the pretext used. We will not commit treason, nor will we facilitate or support it.”NOT on Our Watch!” 8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control” during any emergency, or under any other pretext. We will consider such use of foreign troops against our people to be an invasion and an act of war. During the American Revolution, the British government enlisted the aid of Hessian mercenaries in an attempt to subjugate the rebellious American people. Throughout history, repressive regimes have enlisted the aid of foreign troops and mercenaries who have no bonds with the people. Accordingly, as the militia of the several states are the only military force contemplated by the Constitution, in Article I, Section 8, for domestic keeping of the peace, and as the use of even our own standing army for such purposes is without such constitutional support, the use of foreign troops and mercenaries against the people is wildly unconstitutional, egregious, and an act of war. We will oppose such troops as enemies of the people and we will treat all who request, invite, and aid those foreign troops as the traitors they are. 9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies, under any emergency pretext whatsoever. One of the causes of the American Revolution was the seizure and forfeiture of American ships, goods, and supplies, along with the seizure of American timber for the Royal Navy, all in violation of the people’s natural right to their property and to the fruits of their labor. The final spark of the Revolution was the attempt by the government to seize powder and cannon stores at Concord. Deprivation of food has long been a weapon of war and oppression, with millions intentionally starved to death by fascist and communist governments in the 20th Century alone. Accordingly, we will not obey or facilitate orders to confiscate food and other essential supplies from the people, and we will consider all those who issue or carry out such orders to be the enemies of the people. 10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

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Oath Keepers, please PM me. Some one is coming to town and a meeting is going to take place to discuss current and future affairs.

Good enough or popular for the masses don't usually equal the highest quality. Doesn't mean everyone made is poor, but the QC standards and spec's might be off. Timex or Rolex, Chevy or Benz, White Castle or Ruth Chris, GSA Toilet paper or Charmin? You get my point. They all do the job, but some leave you with buyer's remorse...or a chapped butt.

Yes it was in 1983 to 1984'ish. Even though it was under Reagan, the policy was a carry over from Carter. I am also specifically talking about overseas and some incidents stateside as well. Once source is a career MC officer was a full bird for years and would imagine a BG by know. Another was Force Recon and only just before he invaded Grenada was he issued ammo. I have a few several very close friends that served in the USMC and the Army that couldn't believe what they were being asked to do.

DPMS is not know for high quality parts. I when I attended an AR armorer course, the instructor passed around a bunch of parts he pulled from AR's he repaired and overwhelming majority of the components were DPMS stuff. Not sure who is in charge of QC there, Ray Charles or Helen Keller.