Anselmo

Dick's requires it for pretty much all non-shotgun ammo. Dick's says it's NJ law. Dick's is wrong. I buy my ammo online or at Walmart in PA.

A right is the sanction of independent action. A right is that which can be exercised without anyone’s permission. If you exist only because society permits you to exist—you have no right to your own life. A permission can be revoked at any time. If, before undertaking some action, you must obtain the permission of society—you are not free, whether such permission is granted to you or not. Only a slave acts on permission. A permission is not a right - Ayn Rand

Very good shooting at 20yards.

My understandign is that if you have an FID, you can drive around with any non-hollow point ammo and/or long gun.

I bought a Buckmark but I can't say it's the best. I haven't shot all the rest except the Mosquito.

Because they want to know if you've been denied before and why. They want to stop people from getting denied and reapplying in a different jurisdiction. Maybe years ago when the application was developed they didn't have the computerized databases and records that they do now.

I think this CCW denial concern is more myth than fact. People get denied permits by their local PD, appeal and get them granted by a judge. Even if the local PD deny based on a CCW rejection because it's not in the best interests of society it does not make you a prohibited person and a judge will overturn the denial. Remember that NJ is a shall issue FID and P2P state. The state has to prove why you shouldn't be issued the P2P. Being denied a CCW is not a valid reason.

I've never seen it. I'd buy it. Try the AR Tactical ammo. That comes in bulk and is cheaper than mini-mags. Mini-mags are better but if your gun likes the AR Tac you're good. Start with the mini-mags as your baseline and then try cheaper stuff to see what it likes. My 15-22 will eat everything I've tried. My Buckmark Camper is more finicky.

The section of law where the bill would go is preceded by; ammunition primarily designed for use in a handgun Traditional rifle calibers are primarily designed for use in a rifle, not handgun. But, you're right. The lack of definitons is the slippery slope and that is the problem. It's a law that won't do any good but just do harm to law abiding citizens. How do the police even enforce such a vague law? Will they confiscate ammo and send it off to some lab to check its hardness level and x-ray it to check its ogive? How am I supposed to know if I buy ammo if it is comprised of a bullet whose core or jacket, if the jacket is thicker than .025 of an inch, is made of tungsten carbide, or hard bronze, or other material which is harder than a rating of 72 or greater on the Rockwell B. Hardness Scale? I don't have a hardness scale at home. Are all ammo manufacturers supposed to put a NJ symbol on their ammo like a little "K" for kosher on food labels?

According the FBI, no police were killed by the 5.7 ammo from 2001 to 2010. Data from 2011 is probably forthcoming. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/leoka-2010/tables/table35-leok-feloniously-with-firearms-type-firearm-ammunition-01-10.xls

You're right. It's banning ammo that is already banned.

I agree. I will also say it's a bit dramatic, at this point, to say that the AG can ban whatever ammo they feel like. The law is clear that it must be armor piercing and is pretty specific about its limitations. To say that the law says: I just don't see how the bill/law would allow the banning of common hunting, target or self-defense ammo. Creating a strawman is not an effective strategy. If we want to be taken seriously, we can't protest about things that the bill doesn't say. Doing a quick search to try and locate some of this ammo for sale, no regular ammo website sells any and it's going for $4 a round ($200 for a box of 50) on gunbroker. The problem with the bill is that it doesn't define what penetrating or breaching body armor means. That is where the potential for abuse and unknowns come in.

http://e-lobbyist.co...its/text/519694 They are going after ammo for the Five-seveN handgun. This wording is added to the part of the law N.J.S.2C:39-3 that prohibits hollow points: or (3) any person, other than a law enforcement officer, who knowingly has in his possession handgun ammunition which (a) has a full metal jacket and an ogive with a steel penetrator tip followed by an aluminum core and is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor, or (b) after testing, the Attorney General determines poses a threat to the safety and well being of law enforcement officers because of the materials, be they metallic or nonmetallic, used in its composition or because its ogive, core or jacket are of a design, construction or formulation which makes it capable of breaching or penetrating body armor, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. This is the explanation: Police officers recently encountered a new and highly destructive bullet. The SS190AP ammunition for the Five-seveN Tactical handgun is uniquely designed. It is a full metal jacketed bullet, but utilizes two metal inserts. The tip of the bullet has a steel penetrator which is followed by an aluminum core. The weight relationship between the two metals causes the bullet to tumble in soft body tissue, resulting in massive and, in many instances, deadly wounds. But it is not just the substantial body trauma these bullets can cause that makes them a special threat to the law enforcement community. When fired from the Five-seveN handgun, the SS190AP bullet can penetrate 48 layers of Kevlar (the protective material used to make many types of body armor). This bill would prohibit individuals, other than law enforcement officers and other statutorily exempted parties (such as members of the Armed Forces of the United States and licensed dealers who sell these type of ammunition to the military or law enforcement agencies), from legally possessing ammunition designed and constructed like the SS190AP bullet that can penetrate body armor. Violators would be guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. A crime of the fourth degree is punishable by a fine of not more than $10,000; imprisonment for a term of not more than 18 months; or both.

http://e-lobbyist.co...its/text/519694 They are going after ammo for the Five-seveN handgun. This wording is added to the part of the law N.J.S.2C:39-3 that prohibits hollow points: or (3) any person, other than a law enforcement officer, who knowingly has in his possession handgun ammunition which (a) has a full metal jacket and an ogive with a steel penetrator tip followed by an aluminum core and is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor, or (b) after testing, the Attorney General determines poses a threat to the safety and well being of law enforcement officers because of the materials, be they metallic or nonmetallic, used in its composition or because its ogive, core or jacket are of a design, construction or formulation which makes it capable of breaching or penetrating body armor, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. This is the explanation: Police officers recently encountered a new and highly destructive bullet. The SS190AP ammunition for the Five-seveN Tactical handgun is uniquely designed. It is a full metal jacketed bullet, but utilizes two metal inserts. The tip of the bullet has a steel penetrator which is followed by an aluminum core. The weight relationship between the two metals causes the bullet to tumble in soft body tissue, resulting in massive and, in many instances, deadly wounds. But it is not just the substantial body trauma these bullets can cause that makes them a special threat to the law enforcement community. When fired from the Five-seveN handgun, the SS190AP bullet can penetrate 48 layers of Kevlar (the protective material used to make many types of body armor). This bill would prohibit individuals, other than law enforcement officers and other statutorily exempted parties (such as members of the Armed Forces of the United States and licensed dealers who sell these type of ammunition to the military or law enforcement agencies), from legally possessing ammunition designed and constructed like the SS190AP bullet that can penetrate body armor. Violators would be guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. A crime of the fourth degree is punishable by a fine of not more than $10,000; imprisonment for a term of not more than 18 months; or both.

Hope you never need it. But good to have it in case you do.

I noticed that. He seems to be wrapping the wires up. Did the police get too close to the perp? Once they got inside his swinging radius and the taser didn't work they were left having to shoot him or tackle him. The dog seemed to be in the way and took K9 cop's ability to tackle away.

I think the guy quoted is wrong. A. You are allowed to act in self defense. Even on the street you can act in self defense. If you come home and unwittingly walk in on a burglary and happen to be armed, you are a homeowner in your house. Doesn't matter who arrived first. Say you get to your living room and start to put your firearms away and hear a noise upstairs. Say you are cleaning your guns in the backyard, no one else is home and burglars come out the back door with guns or a conduit bender and threaten you. You can take a proper response. If the burglars see you and yell "don't shoot, don't shoot" and run away... get a good description of them to tell the police. Chasing or shooting them is not allowed. B. You can knowingly enter your house to look for the perps who may or may not still be present. But, that is a job for the police. Should you be armed and shoot an intruder that you went looking for when you had full knowledge you were putting yourself in harm's way, you are liable for that. Don't go looking for trouble. But, if your family is inside, you can act accordingly. That is legitimate. C. A gun locked in my house is secure. I think the readily accessible law only applies to keeps minors away from guns. Not burglars.

I thought it was a Taser and the guys filming it "saying in the face" was straight out of The Hangover movie. The other cop seemed to to be concerned with wrapping up the Taser wires. This video might be used a lot for future LEO training.

And a Republican.

The government didn't just take office by force or via royal blood lines. We voted them in. Quite the paradox that they get elected but no one likes the job they're doing.

It is disprectful to the office and the country to not attend.

My town used to have a 1 permit limit but they've seen the light. The nice lady at my town was just following the rules that her superiors told her. Don't get tough with the nice lady in Rahway, especially if she is civlian. Ask to speak to the officer in charge of FID/permits and talk to him/her about changing their rules.

If SHTF you're gonna wish you had more cans of soup.

Makes no difference if it's listed in the constitution or not. They can still license it.