Turbofire

I'm confused, do juries in NJ courts have to explain their verdict? Because even if the Jury never heard of nullification they knew there was some exceptions to the law, the judge refused to explain it to them, but they asked about it so they knew it existed. Wouldn't that still leave them with reasonable doubt?

Well I'm actually all for alternative fuels/energy, not into soy based man-boobs though The big brother element is scary, if someone had proposed this case to me as a hypothetical I would have said it was impossible it would get this far, even in NJ. Lesson learned. Taking it even further, even people who hate guns should have a problem with the way this trial was conducted. It reminds me of a 1960's southern civil rights trial with a good ol' boy on the bench. .

The magazine issue is the only charge I think "might" be legitimate. Even so, according to an earlier post that comes with a 9 month maximum (per mag?)/ 0 minimum sentence, timed served imo. It scares me that some people think the one charge is reason to write him off as guilty on all charges. To all those people on the fence about lending their support, the seven year conviction is for possesion of two handguns, the prosecution argued he was guilty not because of his lacking a fid card (though I'd guess thats why the cops arrested him) but because he did not have a carry permit. Unless you are one of the few with a NJ ccw if the law is applied as it was in this case YOU could be subject to the same hard time. The moving exemption is just like the exemption that allows you to transport to the range... maybe the judge will decide there's just not enough evidence that you were headed to the range that day.

Well after much debate, I ordered one, l'll let you guys know how it goes. I believe the newer "special" models that just say 870 are express's at heart.

I don't even have my HD shotgun yet but I have a project planned for when I do. I want to get one of these: SC-1 lock sc-5 lock and hardwire it (w/ 110 converter?) in my closet with a hidden switch. I know it's a little complicated but I think it's the best compromise between quick access and security. p.s. I also have a backup generator in addition to the backup key.

It's a man, baby!

My PD actually did it for me when I picked it up.

sorry...missed the duplicate thread

I think I understood you and you misunderstood my understanding. My point was in many municipalities there is no choice "whether to investigate him or not" no matter the circumstances. This was not a criminal trial (6 jurors) it was a formality simply to determine whether the shoot was clean and be transparent about it. I think it's better for the officer and the public, no lingering whispers about it being swept under the rug. I agree with everything you said otherwise.

Glad i found out about this as the 700 is on my short list. While I'm sure the cnbc report will be sensationalized this seems like a well documented , legit problem. Here's the best hard facts i found on the subject walker trigger flaw. Its true muzzle discipline would have prevented injuries, but that still doesn't make the flaw acceptable. Fixed for 2007 and later.

I don't think there even has to be suspicion of wrongdoing on the officers part. There was a shooting, somebody died, they had a coroners inquest, officer was cleared. Just standard procedure.

Think I phrased that wrong. I know it technically is legal, I'm just a little paranoid that those markings might push it from no questions asked legal to "let's figure this out back at the station"/"prove it in court!" legal.

Damn, they had them in other day and now there out of stock again. One concern: does anyone else think the full auto marking on these are a potential legal problem?

I believe he listed those 3 because none of them have an actual hole in the tip, they all have a plastic filler of some sort. I'd be interested if it's based on any official source as well. I'd love to talk to that prosecutor and hear his logic, was he a gun owner?

I agree the tide seems to be going in the other direction ( I hope). Either way I don't see their logic in that purchase. There's no grandfather clause in the NJ AWB, so why would you buy a rifle anticipating a ban, you would have to sell it?

Thanks for the warm welcome. Do I just show up at Cherry Ridge on Sun. or do I need to call and get the membership ball rolling first? I want to check out the bullet hole as well, seems to be the closest place that I don't need to join a club and/or be a town resident to go shoot. p.s. I'm still very annoyed that I can't go to the pistol range in NY thats only 10 min from my house!!!

Hey guys, wish I found this place sooner, lots of good info and seems a little more relaxed than other forums. Still a novice I was introduced to guns in my youth but have only had my FID less than a year. I'm currently looking for a place to shoot and thinking about going to cherry ridge next sunday.