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Buy a newer Mustang...I love my 2008 GTCS...

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My wife got a job working for US Manufaturer's Insurance Company as an Insurance Adjuster. As soon as I found out she had to go into Camden to inspect customer's vehicles, I helped motivate her to find another job...

The answers have already been given. It's a left pocket, right pocket thing. They will still have to pay the Officers, but it will come out of COUNTY resources instead of Camden's. As pointed out, the county resources will now be taxed more substantially, and as in many other things, folks not from Camden will be paying for Camden, both in the inevitible higher taxes to support a war to regain control of the city, and in a reduction in available county resources as they are redirected in support of Camden policing. So, it's a lose lose for those not from Camden, and a win win for those from Camden; and without trying to tap dance all over the PC line, many of whom haven't paid any taxes in a very long time...if ever. It's very clearly a form of union busting(right out of the horse's as...I mean mouth), but moreover it's a slippery slope. What happens if the County doesn't have better results? A metro division of the State Police? They already tried that with reportedly poor results. How about the National Guard Soliders that aren't trained in LE to Police things up? If it works in standard NG fashion(I was in the Nasty Guard for ten years), they'll either be unarmed, armed but without ammunition, or with VERY limited distribution of ammo, likely to folks that are LEOs on the civilian side. When they inevitibly fail(hopefully without losing a Solider in the process), do we just Federalize the Police forces? That has to tickle the funny bone of the more outspoken Liberitiarians in the crowd...

Hey Folks, I guess someone has to be the slightly dissenting view...Let me start off by saying that I like Sigs overall and still own a P226 and P230. I also purchased a P228 years ago, when they were first released, and ultimately traded it in on a P229 when they came out. It was my first approved off duty carry gun. Between the Sig quality, the aluminum frame and stainless slide, I figured I had the perfect carry gun. I had Trijicons and a Scott McDougal and Associates extra short stainless trigger installed. First, the grip screws started rusting like crazy, regardless of what protectant I used, be it Birchwood Casey Sheath or Sentry Solutions marine cloth, two of the best wax based protectants at the time. I replaced them with aftermarket stainless steel hex screws. Then, the matte black slide started getting a surface haze of rust. I polished it to close the pores and that seemed to work for the most part. Now mind you I clean my weapons often and religiously, but between my sweat, the humidity and the ocassional rain storm, it was a job to keep the Sig rust free. I probably should have just sent it off for a quality coating at the time to aleviate the issues with rusting. Then, the extractor broke shooting standard pressure Federal red box. I had it swapped by a Sig Armorer, and he commmented that he had been replacing a lot of them at the time for some unknown reason. Not long after, I fell on my holstered gun in a fight and managed to break a grip panel. This allowed one of the pins held in place by the grip to drift, and render the weapon dead. Thankfully it wasn't needed to defend a life at the time. It went back to the armorer and after a new set of Hogue grips, and drifting the pin back in place, it was up and running again. Then the extractor broke again shooting the Winchester standard pressure ammo I had moved to, blaming the Federal at the time for the first break. Back to the Armorer again. Finally, at least the last straw for me, was the magazines. As the bluing was polishing off of them from carry and use, they started rusing like mad, too. I'd had enough by that point and ended up taking a loss and trading it in on a Glock 22, even swap with a bunch of mags and ammo from Lawmens. I carried that gun for a much longer period, and with much less drama, if a little less style...

How about the folks that put them on thier car as a way of showing the pride they have in the job they do? It's not an easy job to get with years worth of academic testing, recruitment, background checks, medical screening, psycological reviews, and academies only to be able to start day one; followed with more years of probation and peer reviews. There is a lot of pride in overcoming those hurdles, to do a job you love. For some, it may be their greatest life accomplishment to date. No one seems to think those serving in the Military, Firemen, Paramedics, EMTs, et al. are showing an elitist of seperatist attitude when they chose to do adorne thier vehicles, showing thier pride in public service. Let a Cop put a plate, sheild or sticker on their car, though, and there are guaranteed ulterior motives...

I'm with you Brother, but in a respectful social environment of common interest and information sharing...it simply shouldn't be...The loud mouthed drunk gets tossed out of the bar. The idiot relative gets told to act right or leave the family picnic, and the forum troll gets right or gets banned. Like I said, it's not rocket science.

And there in lies the problem...It's really not rocket science to stop someone on your forum from harassing, baiting and taunting other forum members. It's actually pretty simple to fix. In most places on the net, it's called trolling and is a violation of tos...

The forum is hostile to LEOs. How many other professions are constantly bashed here? Unless you can name them all, or at least a good percentage, it is a discriminatory tone. Just reread the posts in this thread and you'll quickly pick up on the tone of many, including the OPs. Suggesting that LEOs are hostile and perpetuating the us vs. them mentaility is the equivlant of saying that a minority is at fault for the discrimination they are subject to. It's assinine, and in keeping with the thought process of one of the bigger cop bashers, a fallacy of logic. Yes, there are a few here that "tough it out" and "weather the storm" and more that just chose to ignore the ever constant barbs tossed thier way, considering the source of the insult(or lack there of) but it doesn't mean the insults and belittling aren't here, simply that the Cops have become some what innoculated against them. Sometimes it's simply a matter of remembering that they say it here, becuase it's the only place they can, or will. It's completely understandable for a poster, LEO or otherwise not to reveal some aspect about himself, likely to cause negative feedback and drama. It's much the equivlent of a woman on her cycle, not diving with sharks. In this case, the sharks have no teeth, just mouths...

And I really do believe it comes down to much more then a simple democrats vs. republicans thing. I'm a registered republican, but the truth is, the older I get the more I realize that I don't make nearly enough money to be a good republican, and I need what little I make way too much to be a good democrat...

Not to mention some degree of job security for many...

It was probably just a coincedence that employee pay rates and benefits began to stall and stagnate in private industry at the same time that unions were pushed for the most part from them.

I'm a Lieutenant with the New Jersey Department of Corrections where I've been employed since 1992. State Corrections Officers are sworn Peace Officers, with full police powers and have been so since the 1960s. We don't enforce the motor vehicle code, Title 39 (thankfully), but otherwise have the same powers of detention(including motor vehicle stops) and arrest as any other sworn Law Enforcement Officer. As any other LEO, we are authorized to carry on and off duty, and do so as LEOs under statutory authority, not CCWs. Our sworn staff work the full spectrum from institutional to special response, and everything in between. Our K9 Officers are routinely farmed out to many municipalities around the state when they either lack the resource, their K9 is unavailable or additional resources are needed. Our dogs are talented and capable of covering all facets, from patrol to tracking, to drug, bomb and even cellular telephone detection. Our Special Response Team, known as Special Operations Group(SOG), of which I'm a former Team Leader, works in concert with many state and municipal Law Enforcement Agencies, particularly in the ever popular large scale sweeps on criminal organizations. Our Special Investigations Division routinely works with outside agencies as well, and has provided departmental representation to the Joint Terrorism Task Force for several years. Non traditional Organized Crime, and Security Threat Groups, AKA Gang Intelligence is a department strong point, where we routinely share information and provide expertise for federal, state and municipal agencies. The term Prison Guard, is a generally condescending and derogatory term used most often in the media. Within the Corrections community, the term Guard is sometimes used as a term of endearment to recognize someone with experience and talent. It carries a different connotation when used outside the community.

Or...they will just change the laws to outlaw open carry, when enough of an issue is made...no, that could never happen...

Bro, who cares what anyone thinks. The range isn't a fashion show, or a place to try and impress others. If you want to wear gloves, wear gloves. Anyone who is busy worrying about what your wearing, needs to focus a little more on their sight picture, and a little less on what other shooters are wearing for their leisure time activities...Long shooting sessions in the summer heat means hot guns, some more so then others...any of the naysayers ever run an extended session with a HK P7...my M13 get's plenty hot in short order; so do some of my long arms. Trying to look cool while manipulating hot weapons is just asking for a safety violation. If gloves forgo that for you, and aren't strictly prohibited by the range or course, Do you, and Run that...Ever wonder why so many folks have chewed up digits after a shooting school? Because they never wore gloves, and pulling a trigger a thousand times, loading twenty or more magazines worth of ammo with physically fatigued hands, and a mentally fatigued brain, means accidents can happen, like blisters, cuts, scrapes and burns from the aforementioned hot weapons, range debris and the various roughly cut and poorly finished supports some programs use for barricades and the like. I've burned the hell out of myself more then a few times firing semiautos in different and sometimes awkward positions. If the brass is hot enough to burn my neck/back/chest/arm/face, guess what it does to the fingers I use to rip it off of my burned flesh. There was that time I was trying to do some fast firing with a NAA Minimag in .22 Mag. If you let your support thumb creep to close to the cylinder gap, you'll get a really nasty little burn, and gun powder imbedded in your flesh for quite a long time. Don't ask me how I know...Third degree burns over the full palm of my right hand reminded me that the old spare barrel I had for my recently issued M60E3, which we were using for the impromptu shooting match for the first time, didn't have that handy little carry handle to swap it out when the barrel got hot like my primary. Really wish I was wearing a pair of gloves(the asbestos glove in the bag would have been better still) then... I don't wear gloves all the time when I shoot, but I do at times, particularly for extended sessions, and as the weather starts to change and I want to get back into my groove for cold weather manipulation. When I do, I could give a damn what anyone else thinks of it. Work smarter, not harder...

One of the guys at work was hit recently at an intersection, totalling his year old car, and beating his body up a bit, as well. Apparantly, an eighty year old woman slammed on her brakes at the intersection, where she had a green light, becuase she was afraid she would get a ticket from one of those red light cameras...the guy behind her swerved to avoid tail ending her, and plowed his big work truck into my buddy's crossover, totalling it. Her comment came from the Officer that responded to the accident...

Daily carry; ParaOrdnance P14.45 LDA Limited in a Kramer Horsehide IWB, or Bladetech belt holster. Duty carry is a Safariland Raptor. It's supplemented with a ParaOrd P6.45 PDA Custom in a Milt Sparks VM2.

I'll be there. One of my Sergeants is organizing the NJDOC and looking for a big showing. We had 32 runners last year. We are hoping to top 50, this go round.

They were big in the eighties and early nineties. They made pistols from .22 up to .50 AE, and were reported to be pretty nice. My uncle owned a few and raved about them often. I believe the company is off line now, but there are still many offerrings floating around. That's a six and a half inch slide, which is why the grip looks short. It's full sized...

I used to be part of a Flight Medevac unit out of the West Trenton Airport. They've been flying Blackhawks for years. It's likely they are the helos flying around Ewing. You can normally see them parked if you are driving down Scotch Road, and look over at the NG hangar at the airport as you drive by.

I like semiautos better... http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=290463451

I use Kramer Horsehide and Bladetech Kydex daily, and have for going on twenty years now...

I started to type a long response to yours, but I will simply say that to each his own, and you have a very unique perspective for someone with so many decades on the job as an instructor. Maybe in twenty eight years I'll feel the same way. Thank you for your service...

Yeah, I'm with you. It's either a long drive south, or a max of six hundred at Cumberland, for me for the moment...

Shane, thanks for the kudos, Brother, but I'm a student just like everyone else. I hold your opinion in just as high a regard and rarely disagree(never signifiantly) in anything I've seen you post. I've hand a little more training then some and much less then others, but I've been an active student of precision riflery for a very long time. I'm a lot of things, but mall ninja and naive...not so much