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Again I ask, how can the transfer be illegal, if upon receiving the firearm it is legal? I can legally posses my firearm in my house. My wife can legally posses my firearm in our house. Yet somehow, when the firearm is in limbo, something illegal is taking place? What transfer are you talking about. Please state a time where there is a transfer but no possession. Is somehow when my firearm is sitting on the table where nobody has possession of it, the illegal transfer? After all, if the possession is legal, but the transfer illegal, then the illegal act must have taken place when nobody had possession of it!

How can the possession be legal if the transfer is illegal? What is the purpose of an illegal transfer if possession is legal on both ends? What makes it illegal? Your home. You are not prohibited, possession is legal. Nothing can prevent that. So how is a transfer illegal? Did a transfer even take place? I can't believe this is even a debate. I know NJ has messed up gun laws, but it is like because there are messed up gun laws, you guys are looking for reasons to make them worse than they are. Something isn't passing the logic test... So you are going to the range with a friend. Your friend comes over to your house. He helps load a firearm in your car. Then you get to the range, he unloads the firearm from your car to shoot. Is that an illegal transfer because it actually happened at your house? Was it illegal for him to help you load your car? Does anyone even care? I know I don't, but it seems like there are threads all over this forum arguing such type of things...

If you start to put the magazine in backwards you really should know it before you put it all the way in. It doesn't feel right. It you do put it in all the way you really need to pay more attention to what you are doing. A lot more attention. Wow that sounded dirty.

That is understood and I agree. However that is not what people were saying before. And that is an ridiculou question to answer, and would be no different then asking that about 99% of the kids his age, because hardly anyone statistically becomes one of those people. So no, I wouldn't take those odds on him, nor anyone else is age. Talk about extremes. I'm certainly not. I have already said "I'm not defending his actions, likely a result of some less than stellar parenting". It is easy to ignore child psychology and the fact that kids are highly impressionable and do things that we know to be stupid when they don't understand their actions and/or consequences because of their environment. But if you want to keep blaming the kid, that is fine. For all we know he could be quite intelligent, but just happens to also be highly ignorant. I could say the same thing about a lot of people here too...

I could have swore I read that the Porsche Cayenne was either thee or one of the most stolen cars out there. Guess it was true. Good thing nobody was hurt. That is pretty scary.

And we have gone full circle. Yep, let us decide for him that one stupid act as a kid is the positive indicator of the rest of his life with no possibility of redeeming himself or changing. That makes sense. Let's us go with that. Go ahead an judge all you want, and insist that your OPINION is the right answer and no other possibilities exist. I think the quote in my signature works well here.

No actually, I haven't. People are making this out like it is the worse thing in the world. And have said, and I quote, imply he is practicing to kill himself. again. comparing it to shooting himself with a real gun. I'm not defending his actions, likely a result of some less than stellar parenting, but liking shooting yourself with an airsoft gun to shooting himself with a real gun, committing suicide, drinking and driving, and what appears to be saying it would be okay if he ends up dead or kills himself later, is more than a bit much. It is ridiculous. But if you want to be so blind as to think a kid doing something stupid and putting it on youtube indicates he has no possibility of not being a screw up, then go ahead an judge.

You're right. Utterly inexcusable. My bad. I should have known airsoft was the same thing as a real firearm. I'll answer your questions when you answer mine.

And I was a firearm airsoft safety expert at 8 too. Seriously? Ever play cops and robbers, or cowboys and indians? Ever shoot cap guns 'at' people. Ever play airsoft? Paintball? Squirt guns even? All those things involve "shooting" people. Some of them actually hurt too. I guess you are all the type that would never let your kids play with anything with a trigger on it. Because shooting yourself with a clear plastic airsoft gun is the same thing as committing suicide. I'm sure when the kid did it he was thinking "hey, this kind of resembles committing suicide"....

If it is cold, I wear whatever pair of spare gloves I have laying around from work, so either a pair of mechanix type gloves, or a pair of nomex flight gloves.

Wow, lots of people are quick to judge. Because of course none of you have ever done stupid things as a kid right? Sure...

Damn! Must have had a different person running the range. Sorry for that then.

Just so there is no confusion... Shot at Range 14 without issue. Just clean up after yourself.

Or the flip side is that they were told to leave, and were leaving when she got rolled up. Either way, I'd have to be pretty hard pressed to believe that what they were doing, had any ill intentions. Trespassing in a public park? Who is the victim in that crime?

Understood, I was just making a point. Any answer to my question though? I'm only asking because I'm not involved in anyway with law enforcement, and legitimately do not know.

36 hours is more then too long. That isn't a busy night. That is a busy night, and entire next day and night. What a frivolous reason as well. Do the police have a system where they can look up people's identification to verify if that person gives them the information?

There are lots of things said on this forum that are at best, someones interpretation of something, and at worst, nothing more then hearsay. Often times they are incorrect and not what the actual law says. Where this "only applies to dealers" things comes from? Not a clue. Really the easiest way to find out if something is legal or illegal, is to look up the laws and statues yourself, and use whatever interpretation of that you feel comfortable with. If you rely on what people say here, then you would never be able to stop for gas or food with a firearm in your car, you couldn't travel with loaded magazines, ammo would have to be in a separate container/case/bag from your firearms at all times, you can't travel out of state with firearms from NJ, the list goes on.

Of the many places that require an FPID for handgun ammo online, their site has it mentioned in the most obvious and easily noticed manner, or close to it. Their are a couple sites out their that give no mention to it until after you have processed the order.

No exceptions needed, Those you mentioned, they are not veterans, they are criminals. A valid gripe for sure, but one that should be taken up with others. Also, the action in Libya was a NATO operation, and if I'm not mistaken, other countries NOT the US took the lead. But your point is taken. Some might say it is naive to think they we aren't. They have, we do, and will continue to do so. You make it seem as if what the military does, doesn't really matter. The Coast Guard has a largely different mission, hense the name, Coast Guard. If you want to view it differently, that is fine. I think the point is that just because the Coast Guard is different, doesn't mean they shouldn't get the same respect as any other branch of service.

Depends. My bolt actions I almost always hand load a single round at a time. My AR, I only have 3 15 round magazines. .223 comes in boxes of 20. So usually, 15, 15, and 10 rounds. Sometimes just 10 and 10. My pistols, First go I usually load them all to capacity. After that, I load whatever ammo I have left in the immediate area, or laying around, so it almost never works out. My .22lr pistol, I use a loader for, which loads 9 rounds with ease. Sometimes I leave it that way, but usually I load the 10th round. My Marlin 60, I use Spee-d-loaders, so all 14 rounds are loaded every time.

I am not saying I disagree. About security guard types, somewhat of a solid point, however those 3 exceptions (while they still apply) are not the only places, assuming you are referring to the jobs listed in the statues. They are specifically mentioned, because they can carry while on the job (official duties), and that is not restricted to just a business or their land. In most cases, if they are on the job, and in NJ, it is legal. This doesn't not apply to the average person. If you are talking about something not listed, like instead meaning they must obtain an actual NJ carry permit JUST to be able to stand around the store with a firearm, then disregard the above. Then it is a quite solid point assuming true. Again, I am not saying I disagree (or agree), I was asking because I was unsure. If I was sure (either way), I wouldn't have asked!

I am not taking it as confrontational, don't worry. I wasn't saying it is a good idea, or that I do or would do it, I was just wondering where people were coming from when they said it has to be the owner. I assumed it was written somewhere. I also don't think it is some loophole. Understood. All you really had to do was say "I interpret 'his place of business' to mean that it is literally his business, or in otherwords, you are the business owner". That I completely understand, and can see how people would see that, and why they would say it that way. I get that. It makes sense. I was going to stop here, but then you quoted a definition I could see as potentially contrary to that, so I'll play devils advocate again. Sounds kind of like a fixed location (that's good, because that is what the statue says!), where people work (the services rendered part), and business takes place (conducted). Doesn't specify by whom. So if I worked at said establishment, giving my services, then would that not be my place of business? I'm just saying, where you see it one way, to mean one thing, it could be seen another way, to mean something different. Who is right? I haven't a clue. Now if there happens to be some case law to support one side or the other, that is a different story. In fact, if there is, that is kind of what I was asking to see in the first place!

Ok vladtepes, I understand there are a number of exemptions. I am asking, specifically, if besides the quoted, (your highlighted) part, if "place of business" is defined. Nothing besides what you have highlighted, defines it. What it does talk about, is those that can carry, where those few places listed don't even have to apply, and those that cannot carry, because they cannot posses a firearm. The one thing that does apply, is subsection g. "g.All weapons being transported under paragraph (2) of subsection b., subsection e., or paragraph (1) or (3) of subsection f. of this section shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances." What does that mean? It means that you have to follow those transportation rules we know so well. That certainly doesn't define fixed location. So again, if office A is my place of business, and I go from my house, traveling with my firearms as per subsection g (above), then I should be able to carry in office A. Where does it say that I have to be the building owner or business owner of the business in office A? That is my question. I have yet to see it say that anywhere. Excellent point. As it is not defined, and the same terminology is used, I would interpret that as such as well, as long as that address was not something like your van.... Exactly. And if that is your place of business, then you are good to go, because that is one of the 3 places. It does NOT say, place of business YOU OWN.

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