Dan

Yup I get it. I don't use quotes to battle arguments, nor do I use them to promote the people who said them, but solely for the thought provoking concepts they communicate. It is up to the reader to use critical thinking and their own observations to determine for themselves how to feel or react to them. I agree, getting into a quote battle is as fruitless as playing the statistics game.

Uhm, if you want to start your own thread on a discussion on which US presidents owned slaves, you are free to do so. Otherwise I don't get your distasteful point.

Quote by Henning W. Prentis. Many may have heard of it before, but I want to re-hash this. It appears we are somewhere in-between the selfishness to apathy/apathy to dependency phase in our Republic. Which of course the fall of democracy quote supposedly by Tytler makes more sense... The last part about dictatorship and monarchy is the very thing the founding fathers authored the 2nd Amendment in order to provide "the people" the ability to prevent from happening.

Shapiro used the argument that I have been using with anti friends. How handguns are involved in 14K murders per year, and ALL rifles including so-called "assault rifles" are involved in 400-500. How it would make more sense to go for a ban on HG's, and why aren't they doing that now? They aren't because they know it would fail. I then get into how HG's are just as dangerous to defenseless targets as SA rilfes are, and how the "AR" has been used lately by these crazy people due to media sensationalism. How the gun ban crowd is going after EBR type guns because they look scary, and to apathetic people or non-gun knowledgeable people it is easy to form a cloud of misinformation around them due to how they look. It is part of a larger plan to slowly whittle away at the rights of all Americans over a long period of time. Today it is EBR's, tomorrow it will be HG's, then shotguns, etc etc....

Its advertised here, and hundreds or even thousands have seen it, yet we still have people who already threw in the towel and say "it wont make a difference", or "there won't be much of a showing". With that attitude this negative self fulfilling prophecy will win out. Instead we should be rallying together and be positive about how we as NJ gun owners can band together and make our stance known. At the minimum if SHTF and we loose a majority of our gun rights here in the state, at least those who showed up can say "I tried" instead of "I sat idly by and watched because I felt I couldn't make a difference". Its our duty here to promote this, and I'm already trying to get my friends to come along. The sad truth is yes, people work and have other obligations, there is sometimes no getting around that. But if the only thing stopping someone is the above type mentality, it is a shame.

So you already gave up, why post then?

Rally up, this is it... Feb 8th. If only a few hundred people show up on Feb 8th in Trenton, that will be very disappointing. Now is not the time to sit back and hope other people "take care of it"!

So a type of rifle that has been in existence, owned, and available for purchase by the law abiding US population aka "semi automatic rifles" for about 100 years , is all of a sudden something that we "the people" do not have a right to own any longer. The terrible truth that these gun ban folks do not want to fess up to is that ANY type of gun in the hands of the criminally insane has the capacity to inflict terrible harm. Whether it be handguns, shotguns, rifles, semi-auto or not. The real problem to solve is keeping ANY gun out of the hands of those people who have demonstrated that they are not fit to freely exercise their rights. Of course that problem is a difficult one to solve, so they go after inanimate objects and law abiding folks instead... they are easier targets.

Sig 516 pistol is too heavy, even if you make the other stuff compliant on it

My PD hasn't sent letters or called my references the past 3 permit cycles. 2 month into waiting and I start calling them asking whats up, then in about a week they are usually in the mail to my house. The reference "investigation" in the form of letters or calls from what I understand is optional for the PD.

Fishing expedition IMO. So many laws are on the books that if any cop wanted to pull anyone over, they can easily find some law to justify the stop. That's just reality.

Wolf in sheep's clothing. The anti-2A folks like to use words like "sensibility" and "common sense" in order to try to get pro-2A people to give in. The sad truth is that with 22,000 gun laws on the books, and a history of "giving in" has done nothing to stop crazy people from doing crazy things. In NJ, gun owners gave in with 15 round mag restrictions decades ago. Now they want us to give in again with 10 round. What's next 5, etc...? It is already illegal for people with a history of mental illness, illegal drug users, and felons from buying, touching, or owning guns. What will taking my legally own guns away from me do to help stop those people from getting them illegally? I will not sacrifice my rights (both Constitutional and inalienable) , liberty, and freedom due to the actions of a few crazy people, which is exactly what these people want.

I just registered

This is new. I just read in HB1263 that they came up with a new concept. The "assault weapon attachment". Owning one of these "AWA's" is just as bad as owning the so-called "AW" as they define them. So in this case, owning a AR pistol grip would land you a felony and prison time. 6 (2) "Assault weapon attachment" means any device 7 capable of being attached to a firearm that is specifically 8 designed for, or when installed will have the effect of, 9 making or converting a firearm into any of the firearms 10 listed in paragraph (1) of subsection (a) of this Section. (2) A person who knowingly delivers, sells, purchases, 24 or possesses or causes to be delivered, sold, purchased, or 25 possessed, directly or indirectly, in violation of this 26 Section an assault weapon attachment commits a Class 4 1 felony for a first violation and a Class 3 felony for a 2 second or subsequent violation.

Unreal, it reads like fiction, which makes it even scarier that its real. edit: just donated, I hope other states come to our aide when its our turn

IMO, your actions do not come under straw purchases or acting as an unlicensed dealer. When you purchased the gun, it was for yourself, for your own use and possession. After the purchase, some time went by and you decided that you made a mistake and don't really like the gun, so you decided to sell it. IMO you are operating within the laws. If you did this activity a few dozen times a year, that may open you up to scrutiny and investigation as to why you tend to purchase so many guns that you change your mind about, and turn around and sell them. I'm sure then things would look fishy.

They still make newspapers?

I have a Visonics Powermax+ wireless system with multiple door, smoke, glass break, and motion sensors for 5 years now and has served me very well. I use Nextalarm CO monitoring at a cost of $149 per year. Whats nice is you own the system , along with the installer code. So you can use whatever monitoring company that you want, or even change later on if you find a better deal. Or simply not use one and just go with the siren. You have options of GSM, broadband/IP, or regular phone line access. Costs may be different depending , for instance GSM requires an active wireless account, etc. I have never had to change batteries in the door sensors as of yet. The motion sensors I typically change every 6 months or so, they use a regular CR123 lithium battery. The glassbreak uses a 9V batt, and I change that once a year. Lots of cool options also. For instance I added a wireless remote external siren last year. It chirps once when arming with the remote keychain keyfob, and chirps twice when you disarm with the remote. Its like a car alarm, but your for your whole house. You can arm/disarm before you even open the front door with your keyfob. I even have mine hooked up with an X10 home control adapter, so the alarm can control the lights in the house. I have every light turn on (that has an X10 module) in the event the alarm triggers. Details for the kit are here : http://www.home-technology-store.com/home-security/ABBRA-KIT.aspx Feel free to PM me if you have any questions. Good luck in your decision!

I just want to know why we are taxing medical devices, when we should be focusing on what to do to lower the cost of medical devices... Slimy if you ask me... "lets put a tax on a class of items that people NEED to buy... yea like something medical!"

AR's are better then AK's! Oh wait wrong thread. :0 I subscribe to the light and fast camp, like 125gr 357mag, 357sig, 9mm +p+ for my choices, but I do also know that 45acp flying hole punchers are just as good and maybe even better in some circumstances. I think that is the key word.... circumstances... as there are so many variables when it comes to this sort of thing.

With the old fashioned paper process, they wouldn't be able to even read/input all the the apps in 60 days. Plus each denial requires an explanation from the denying party (CLEO/Judge, etc). Then there is the right to appeal to the courts.... It would obviously gum up the system with massive delays, and not a single F**K would be given by NJ. It has already been legislated from the bench that NJ is not legally bound to follow time frames as outlined in the firearms statutes. The best outcome of this would be any press coverage ,along with further ammunition on how NJ's claim that they do not trample on 2A rights by having a CCW permit process is a farce since 99.999% of the applications would be denied.

Instead, lets push to have posted all un-armed and defenseless homes in NJ. I'm sure that information will be useful for certain types of people!

Chamber and bore dry before firing. This FireClean stuff seems interesting. Never heard of it, will look into trying that stuff out.

Lay down a coating, don't wipe it off. Thats what they mean by "wet". The only thing that I wipe dry is the impingement gas chamber on the bolt carrier hole the bolt slides into, and the tail part of the bolt behind the gas check gaskets washers (whatever they are called). I dab some Magnalube grease on key areas , especially contact points of the trigger mechanism. The rest is Slip2000, IMO the best wet lube out there.

I have 4 ATI polymer lowers sitting at my FFL waiting for me to pickup. Paid $40 each for them back when bama' got re-elected. So these guys seemed to have jacked the price up over 100% on these NF made models.