Dan

From: http://www.nj.gov/dep/cmp/access/public_access_handbook.pdf MHW = Mean High Watermark The public has the right to use a "reasonable" amount of dry sand above the MHW, example... walking laterally on the beach. NJ loves the word reasonable. IMO, beach access in front of shoreline private property is like NJ gun laws. Confusing and ambiguous. You are in a state of being illegal and legal at the same time, until arrested and having to prove yourself innocent in court.

I'm just saying that the law reads to me that a person "has first secured a permit to purchase a handgun" , before being able to hold the gun at the store. Not completely fill it out, like a purchase. I hope I am wrong, but I haven't heard a convincing argument yet that I am. Definition of "give" ranges from sell, give for free as a present, to : "To put temporarily at the disposal of:" "d. To entrust to another, usually for a specified reason:" "2. To place in the hands of; pass:"

I'll repost a diff link here:

You let someone hold your gun in your home, but it isn't a transfer, ok, but did you "give" your gun to them, and didn't they "receive" it from you? And that person of course did "hold" it? Am I wrong? Lets see where these words are in the statutes... notice they treat "sell" and "purchase" as subsets of a greater definition. What type of transfer is it if you hand someone your gun to hold at the range (versus your home or store in your example)? If it is a "temporary transfer" why is it a transfer at the range, but not at your home?

Finally took a pic:

Finally finished my NJGF 1st run AR lower build. A 16" middy. Keeping it simple. NJ Legal... Pinned Brake, Pinned stock, bayonet lug removed Spikes lower PSA hammer forged 16" middy upper Troy Claymore muzzle brake (permanently pinned) PSA BCG PSA milspec buffer tube PSA buffer and spring PSA LPK w/o FCG Geissele SSA-E FCG Magpul MOE grip (new one that has a rubbery texture, I like it) Magpul MOE hand guard Magpul RVG Magpul ACS stock - milspec (pinned to be a fixed stock) Daniel Defense A1.5 fixed rear sight

Read up on "perpendicular access". http://www.nj.gov/dep/cmp/access/public_access_handbook.pdf

Actually, I wonder if it would be considered a "machine gun". Lolz all around http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/importation-verification/firearms-verification-nfa-machinegun.html For the purposes of the National Firearms Act the term Machinegun means: Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger The frame or receiver of any such weapon Any part designed and intended solely and exclusively or combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, or Any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.

No, a range is an approved location where you can temporarily transfer the gun to your friend. According to statute 2C:58-3.1. This has been covered in prior posts, but here it is again:

Look at my post from 9:16am a few up.

I've had a stainless PT92 for 14 years. It was my first HG. Been very happy with it. I just wished it took standard Beretta mags. Edit : Just thought of something that annoys me... The frame is some kind of aluminum alloy, I wished it was completely stainless. I'm not sure if the Beretta is like that also. And Taurus may have changed it in the past 14 years. Something to look into.

IANAL. My interpretation is that any time a gun exchanges hands from owner/dealer to another person, rules have to be followed. If it isn't a "temporary transfer", then 2C:58-3 has to be followed. For HG's the receiver needs to have a PPP, for long guns the receiver has to have a FID.

Because only revolvers can frag from bad loads?

I'm planning on it, I haven't been to a match in at least a month myself.

Most Unsuitable: Cruiser-style Pistol Grips. You are in your home with kids, wife, and pets. Any weapon discharge needs to be aimed. For shotguns, that means fired from the shoulder with both eyes on target. Shooting from the hip is nonsense. - I agree, being limited to using the SG in one manner is not that flexible. IMO if you need the SG to be compact, some kind of folding stock would be better. Biggest Gimmick: Adjustable Stocks. You are not going to be adjusting your stock in a HD situation. They just add one more variable to deal with when you can’t afford the time to be mucking around. - I disagree, an adjustable stock is used to fit the gun to your body type/dimensions. You set it , and forget it. You don't go making adjustments during a SD situation. Why would you? Second-biggest Gimmick: Shell Carriers and Mag Extension. Unless you are preparing to engage in a running firefight through the hallways of your home while your kids huddle behind their beds, 5+1 rounds of 00-buck should be more than sufficient. - I disagree, IMO, having the highest possible mag capacity in any gun that is still manageable (ergonomics, weight, size, etc) is the best option. Better to have extra loaded rounds and not need them, then to need them and not have them.

Well OK, if you really want to nitpick... IMO that driving around on public roads (not on school grounds, etc) with a NJ legal long gun in your trunk (not a NJ defined AW) , not doing anything illegal (like robbing banks and stuff), that LE cannot charge you with unlawful possession of a weapon. Please show me otherwise. NJ has many laws to follow when it comes to firearm possession... 2C:39-5 is not a statute with "exemptions" , it is the statute that defines what is illegal and is what you are charged with. 2C:39-6 is the statute that has possession exemptions, oh and it is titled "Exemptions". So, if it says it is illegal in 39-5, and there are no exemptions in 39-6 or other statutes that override 39-5, then you go to jail.

Why not? If it is unloaded, this is completely legal, and you aren't causing any drama by having it in public view... If a cop pulled you over for a moving vehicle violation, got a warrant to search your car, and found an unloaded long gun in the trunk.. provided you have a FPID... there aren't any weapons charges they can bring you up on. If you go walking down main st., some town, NJ with a public viewable rifle... that gives LE cause to tack on other non-weapon charges as I mentioned in my prior post. Strangely enough, you have more protections with a NFID and long gun in your trunk, then say it being a sword. To have the sword, you have to demonstrate (to the court) , a "manifestly appropriate purpose" for having it at the time LE arrested you for weapons possession.

A brake-onet

4 pages, multiple days, without any real info on pricing/brands/calibers...

Ball seek and destroy system:

I typically drive 8-10 over, never got pulled over for that even when going through an obvious speed trap. That being said, I like to stack the odds in my favor. NJTP and GSP in central jersey have been crawling lately. Almost all NJSP I have seen lately are using laser. Detectors are pretty much worthless as when they alarm it is too late if you are the target. You may get a lucky alarm if they bounce off a car near you, but nothing to stake a ticket on. Laser active counter-measure systems are very pricey, and its a roll of the dice if they even work. Its a constant battle between the LIDAR makers and the counter-measure folks. Many times counter-measures in the active system (jamming) can be compensated for by some DSP code changes. Then the counter-measure people have to re-test the LIDAR gun, and reprogram their jamming logic. If I need to speed up to pass some idiot, the best defense is keep a keen eye ahead. With laser they need line of sight to tag you, so if they can see you, you can typically see them. That and the pacers that sneak up from behind or enter from an on-ramp. Another sharp eye sweep is all thats needed.

Ahem, its East Jersey State Prison, thank you very much. I grew up a town over in Woodbridge , and they haven't called it Rahway State Prison is many many moons. Are you from the area?

As others said: a) Something indicating that the farm is your residence, like a DL, bills with your name and address, and if stuff gets ugly you should be able to prove that you physically live there, like all your belongings/room/bed, etc. b) Verify you are adhering to local ordnance. NJ state AFAIK doesn't have a limitations on weapons discharge, except maybe state game grounds. Its the local towns/counties/etc that have those. c) Safety

Nothing will ever happen. They have no proof that the gun is real, or a stage prop. The time to take action was for LE to check the gun once they saw it on him. Frankly I'm surprised they didn't just say "It looked fake, so we didn't check" excuse. NJ gun laws working as intended... Let the rich/well connected enjoy gun ownership as if it was free America (typically they get carry permits first, that slide right through), and throw the rest of us to the wolves if we don't follow dozens of ambiguous (and ridiculous) regulations.

The crux of the issue here is the classic case of if we don't follow the rules, we go to jail. If LE doesn't follow the rules, well, just eat some pie. I'm not an expert on laws concerning the rights of citizens' confidentiality and privacy when it comes to govt officials using personal information gained for one purpose (employment verification), but instead used for unauthorized purposes (sending letters to your company disclosing your intentions to purchase a firearm). Regarding damages, that can be a very subjective matter. You could go for something like character defamation or that you are open to discrimination due to the possibility of management having some people that look down on gun ownership. This could be akin to the govt calling up your employer and telling them you are pro-life or pro-choice, which is another example of a polarizing and potentially emotional topic.