I'm have permits pending so stopped in at Sportsman's Rendezvous in Flemington today to check out their selection of pistols.

The gentleman behind the counter asked if he could help me and I explained I was pending permits and wanted to feel the difference between grip on an M9 and Px4. Pretty much before I can finish saying this he tells me he can't allow me to touch the guns without permits in hand. I explained I had my Fid and Dr. Lisc with me, but he just kept up with the "I can't." I just said "if that's your policy I'll have the respect that" and walked out. The lady next to him did offer to measure the grip width for me, but his tone really was off putting. A shame because they are close and competatively priced.

All of the shops I have visited have let me handle any gun with a DL and FID.

Ask to talk to the manager or the owner. That's just crazy. FID should be enough. I would understand that salespersons will not let you handle one because they don't know if you are a criminal or not. I'm sure there are also crazies who would try to run out of the store with a pistol. Salespersons are probably not equipped to handle violent incidents even if they have some form of store training.

Its a store policy, or they were warned by NJSP.

 

Many shops now will ask to see FID before letting you play with firearms. When I asked why, as per a vendor here, who had a visit from NJSP, they explicitly told him that is what he is to do.

There is no law or requirement that I know of that requires the purchaser to have a FPID or Permit to touch a firearm. As long as the person is not a "prohibit person", they may possess a pistol. I know many LEO that do not even have a FPID, yet they carry everyday. What about those that moved into NJ? What about those that inherited firearms? The only issue is where the dealer KNOWS that the customer is a "prohibited person", they can not allow them to handle any firearm.

 

ETA: Statute

An owner or dealer shall not transfer a firearm to any person pursuant to the provisions of this section if the owner or dealer knows the person does not meet the qualifications set forth in subsection c. of N.J.S.2C:58-3 for obtaining or holding a firearms purchaser identification card or a handgun purchase permit. A person shall not receive, possess, carry or use a firearm pursuant to the provisions of this section if the person knows he does not meet the qualifications set forth in subsection c. of N.J.S.2C:58-3 for obtaining or holding a firearms purchaser identification card or a handgun purchase permit.

i went to mikes and he wouldn't even show me what he had in stock (all handguns in a safe beind the counter)without a PPP in hand

Every store I have been to asks to see FID to handle firearms. Sounds like this guy didn't want to waste his valuable time helping a potential customer since he new he was not getting a sale today (no ppp). Consider it his loss, shop elsewhere.

That's odd. Why would there be anything keeping you from feeling up the guns, deciding on the one you want and putting a deposit on it pending receipt of PPP?

There is no law or requirement that I know of that requires the purchaser to have a FPID or Permit to touch a firearm. As long as the person is not a "prohibit person", they may possess a pistol. I know many LEO that do not even have a FPID, yet they carry everyday. What about those that moved into NJ? What about those that inherited firearms? The only issue is where the dealer KNOWS that the customer is a "prohibited person", they can not allow them to handle any firearm.

 

ETA: Statute forthcoming

 

Oh Paul - Just help me out here. Some LEOs don't have FPID becasuse their firearms are department issuses and they don't own them?

 

And just my personal bias, If some hoodie looking gangsta comes into the shop(I don't care black, white or green) I'm going to be very reluctant to hand them a firearm.

 

People need to take this into consideration.

There are enough gunshops in NJ. Take your business elsewhere.

Stupid policy.

That's stupid. Just go elsewhere

Oh Paul - Just help me out here. Some LEOs don't have FPID becasuse their firearms are department issuses and they don't own them?

 

And just my personal bias, If some hoodie looking gangsta comes into the shop(I don't care black, white or green) I'm going to be very reluctant to hand them a firearm.

 

People need to take this into consideration.

 

Hey Theron, I think Old School just called you a "hoodi looking gangsta." LOL!

I would not hand the "hoodi looking gangsta" a loaded firearm. Besides, I have a loaded firearm at the ready should they "make my day". :wild:

How is it every Tom Dick or Harry can drive across the bridge to Cabelas and handle all the guns and ammo you want and in this friggin state you cant even sniff a friggin pistol without a PP ??? This state is so far gone im afraid its never comin back !!!!!!!

There are enough gunshops in NJ. Take your business elsewhere.

Stupid policy.

This. At CMO, I think I've only been asked to show my FPID ONCE, and that was when I first started going in there. Even those I've never seen before haven't asked for any form of I.D. I've also specifically told one of the workers that I was waiting for a permit to get approved, and wanted to look at some handguns. He was more than happy to help me. My father has gone in with me once or twice, doesn't have an FPID let alone any PP's yet, and they let him handle whatever he wanted. I'm not saying you need to go into CMO now, just advising that you take your money somewhere else. Personal suggestion...go to CMO to handle guns since you're in the area, then take your money to Paul (PK90). Paul I've been meaning to ask...is PK90 your initials and your age??

Been to Sportsman`s a few times since i live only a mile away and only when i had the pistol permit in hand the guy would let me touch the guns.

 

They do have a good selection but their attitude to sell you anyting in the gun department at all is poor to none.

 

Maybe they have their regulars and dont want to bother.

I didnt ask for any breaks or anyting special , just wanted to see if they are worth to support since its a local shop, but only on very rare occasions i just get a couple of boxes of ammo and split.

Been to Sportsman`s a few times since i live only a mile away and only when i had the pistol permit in hand the guy would let me touch the guns.

Not you personally but I'm sure you've seen the A-holes who handle pistols at the store....snapping the slide back & banging it back on the counter. Who really wants to buy a scratched "new" pistol or a rimfire one that has it's trigger pulled dozens of times?

That is their policy and to me it is ridiculous. They never seem to want to seel anything in their gun department. I go to other stores to look at and hold the guns and buy where I get the best deal. Sportsmans Rendevous has lost out on a lot of sales with their poor attitude.

First time I went to my shop they asked for my FID. after that they knew me never again. And never even asked if I had a permit ready.

Will they show you long guns?

Not you personally but I'm sure you've seen the A-holes who handle pistols at the store....snapping the slide back & banging it back on the counter. Who really wants to buy a scratched "new" pistol or a rimfire one that has it's trigger pulled dozens of times?

 

I understand why they must resort to something like this , but just an FID on you and DL should be fine to handle to guns and to show that you re serious.

To show them the permit in hand is not very common i believe as a prerequisite, and to still after that be demotivated to answer questions on the guns like you re asking them about 19th century french poetry is an indication that they dont care about their gun department. Maybe finshing is a different thing at Sportsman`s but i never went in for that.

Funny, this happened to me at that same place a few months ago, but then I went in just two weeks ago and they didn't say anything and let me touch the guns. It was a different guy, but still, makes no sense.

Funny, this happened to me at that same place a few months ago, but then I went in just two weeks ago and they didn't say anything and let me touch the guns. It was a different guy, but still, makes no sense.

 

I have never talked to other employees at the gun counter except the same glasses, gray hair, moustache older gentleman who is the only one that they call if you ask about guns, at least in my experience. He is the one that asks for the PP to let you handle the goods.

 

 

To their credit though , they did have some nice used things (like a Colt Detective Special....and such).

I have never talked to other employees at the gun counter except the same glasses, gray hair, moustache older gentleman who is the only one that they call if you ask about guns, at least in my experience. He is the one that asks for the PP to let you handle the goods.

 

Yup, that's the guy who asked for mine to. But the other day it was a much younger kid, and I have seen him before, he let me touch them. Funny thing it that guy who always ask for the papers was right next to him.

Yup, that's the guy who asked for mine to. But the other day it was a much younger kid, and I have seen him before, he let me touch them. Funny thing it that guy who always ask for the papers was right next to him.

Problem solved! No permits, no touchy. Sounds like the salesperson don't want to waste his time with anyone who is not an instant buyer. May I recommend Caso's Gun A Rama.

Also, as a practical matter, the FID is a card that you can easily carry in your wallet. The PPP is a 3-part (?) carbon form that you cannot easily carry around, and which gets more damaged the more you handle it. To require a PPP just to feel a few handguns seems silly.

IANAL. My interpretation is that any time a gun exchanges hands from owner/dealer to another person, rules have to be followed. If it isn't a "temporary transfer", then 2C:58-3 has to be followed. For HG's the receiver needs to have a PPP, for long guns the receiver has to have a FID.

 

2C:58-3. a. Permit to purchase a handgun. No person shall sell, give, transfer, assign or otherwise dispose of, nor receive, purchase, or otherwise acquire a handgun unless the purchaser, assignee, donee, receiver or holder is licensed as a dealer under this chapter or has first secured a permit to purchase a handgun as provided by this section.

 

b.Firearms purchaser identification card. No person shall sell, give, transfer, assign or otherwise dispose of nor receive, purchase or otherwise acquire an antique cannon or a rifle or shotgun, other than an antique rifle or shotgun, unless the purchaser, assignee, donee, receiver or holder is licensed as a dealer under this chapter or possesses a valid firearms purchaser identification card, and first exhibits said card to the seller, donor, transferor or assignor, and unless the purchaser, assignee, donee, receiver or holder signs a written certification, on a form prescribed by the superintendent, which shall indicate that he presently complies with the requirements of subsection c. of this section and shall contain his name, address and firearms purchaser identification card number or dealer's registration number. The said certification shall be retained by the seller, as provided in paragraph (4) of subsection a. of N.J.S.2C:58-2, or, in the case of a person who is not a dealer, it may be filed with the chief of police of the municipality in which he resides or with the superintendent.

I'm have permits pending so stopped in at Sportsman's Rendezvous in Flemington today to check out their selection of pistols.

 

Sportsman's Rendezvous has a great selection of some things, especially M1A rifles. They almost always have multiple versions of NM and SM rifles, which few other shops carry. They list them on GB, and probably have $50K of them in stock at any time.

 

So, one day I walked in with $2500 in cash, intending to buy one. My wife was with me, and happy to see me having fun.

 

15 minutes later I walked out without a rifle. They (3 of them, that day) were jerks, clearly not interested in selling a $2500 rifle to a customer who was anxious to give them money. The guy showing me the rifles didn't know anything. Any time I asked a question he would yell to the back room, and some guy back there would shout back a short answer, which the guy would repeat to me. $2500 sale and the guy in the back can't show me the rifle? They gave me a hard time about showing me a NM, even though it was right there on the shelf. Geesh.

 

Ended up buying one at the Rahway FAGs a few months later. I probably paid a little more, but Gert is always friendly and happy to show me what I want to see. He'll tell you the rifle is too expensive for him, but he's happy that you can afford it and he's happy to sell it to you.

 

I guess they sell a lot of the M1A's on GB since they have stock and decent prices, but I'm interested if anyone gets more friendly or helpful service from the Sportsmans Rendezvous?

Its a store policy, or they were warned by NJSP.

 

Many shops now will ask to see FID before letting you play with firearms. When I asked why, as per a vendor here, who had a visit from NJSP, they explicitly told him that is what he is to do.

 

Moron NJSP. I'm surprised the shop didn't tell them to shove their 'advice' up their collective a** until they came up with the reg supporting their 'advice'.

Moron NJSP. I'm surprised the shop didn't tell them to shove their 'advice' up their collective a**

 

In business, it is never wise to be unpleasant towards your regulators. All stores are in business for one reason, to make a profit, and you cannot easily turn a profit when your regulators are looking for excuses to fine you.