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Well you can reload and not smoke and then mix cigars with shooting...

Now thats a productive morning, good job Tony..

Nice..

Very nice Ant, very nice way to put it, thank you.

Added what was needed for you..

Sorry to hear the news Steph, my best to you, your friend and family.

I never said you or anyone can't post or have an opinion, I said what is being said past post # 2 is now really relabemt. Fun to talk about at times but in the end does more harm than good. You may now have someone read this and say I read on the forum that you need training for the 2A. I'm done for the night on this one. Have fun and just know my only position is I believe in the 2 A and don't like it when people out there own spin on it, that's the same reason we are in the boat we are in in regards to our 2a rights.

I said yes I think if you decide to carry you should get training but it should not be mandatory. The 2A have no mandatory training provision in it does it???

Can you please explain how my argument is the same as the anti's please. If anything as I say all the time, the 2A is just that a right and not a privlege, it's not a drivers license you need to take a test for. It is as long as your not a prohibited person the ability to carry and is not conditional, period. I Agee that if you as a person decides to carry you should take it upon yourself and get some training, but I am sorry I can not see that as a requirement. Why we have to even have these discussions is beyond me. To note why I said this thread could have been locked after PK90, Paul posted, well he answered the question with the right answer and everything else is opinion or someone's view, and unfortunately many times a very distorted view that gets passed along in a forum and becomes forum Law. The next person starts quoting forum law and it grows and grows into total BS. Sorry to me, post # 2 was Game, Set, and Match.

Very nice.

This as Bob brought up as alternatives to help speed up the current process and voluntary while we have this process, that is until a NICS check is all that is needed I don't have a problem with. Something that will help is fine for now, but we also don't want to get into a slippery slope of well you do this now, let add this down the road either.

Yea states that don't even require a permit to CCW just are stacking up with the dead bodies aren't they..

Sorry, was I unzipped again.. I agree with if you are going interstate and not transporting to FOPA standards than you are just begging to get nabbed in NJ and spend more time here than you originally intended.

You can't get the 16 rounders delivered to you in NJ, there may be a dealer that is willing to pin the Mags at 15 but for the cost if they are able to somehow swap the 10 or 16 rounders for 15 rounders great, if not I would get the 10 round mags, and order up as many 15 round mags as you want. 10 round mags are good for range practice and I did say you can order as many 15 round mags as you WANT not need, can always use more mags. Now if none of the dealers are willing to do that, then the route of shipping it to a FFL and using CZ-Customs is a great option, have anything and everything done to he gun before it leaves them if you have the want and coin for that, just remember the total out the door price to your hand. Shipping, Transfer, Tax, NICS check, etc;.

I agree, with a right comes responsibility and would hope people being responsible would take it upon themselves to learn not only the laws but also become proficient in handling and using there gun/guns. I think it's more up to us as responsible gun owners who have been to classes to advocate them to other shooters, I sure know I do and I have recommended and sent probably couple dozen to the school I went to and not to mention the number of people I have sent to ShoreShot to get here feet wet for the first time. Like I do with motorcycles, I always promote the basics, take the course over even if you have been riding for many years and also the advanced classes, but like many things, the only saying Back to Basics is very true, and I have maybe not learned something new from taking a basic course a second or third time, I sure would be lying if I said I wasn't reminded of something that could save my life that I took for granted or over looked.

Thank you gentleman for bringing this to our attention. Probably a very good idea to not only make sure we are registered but also if something happens to cancel via E-mail and phone just so nobody is put in the No Show list and E-mail there would be a way to prove you weren't one.

While I will agree that as a NJ resident I know the laws of my state and I do check the laws of each state I am going to or traveling through and I expend that list for deviations in my travel route just in case being a lot of times I may be on my motorcycle and just decide to go someplace different midway. or around weather. Yes I deviate at times. once going to the New Orleans area rather than a direct route I went all the way west ti Indiana then winded my way there staying in as many NO Helmet Law states as I could. Ok on to my point Frank, if you are not from the NJ area, or another state that has these laws you may not even think about them, and just transport them as what FOPA would allow. Believe it or not, I have told people from other states the things we have to do, or can not do, or own and they are like, NO Way, it's not like that, your drunk, you are a lier, it's not like that in the USA etc, However I do tell them to make sure they do know the laws if they come here and don't get themselves jammed up for something that is legal in the Free USA if they have to come here.

There is just one problem here, a Drivers License is a Privilege, the 2A is a Right, they are 2 completely different things.

Dan this list works for me, these could be the 4 and only gun laws on the books and I would be fine with it. I do have to add after reading some more of the responses, there needs to be a defined list of felonies that would make a person prohibited and not just all.

If you don't have minor children in the house leaving the gun out or in a draw is not an issue. No as far as showing proficiency to have a CCW, NO WAY, while yes I would like to know the person who is carrying can shoot the gun they are caring I have to leave that to them. The 2A is not conditional, what next, you want to have proficiency tests to use your 1A rights, you would have towns what would only have a small percentage of the residents that were able to speak. How can we as the core group of gun owners forget the 2A is a right, it's not a privilege, sounds like Anti's and please lets skip the Common Sense discussion because it's what started all this in the first place.

WHY??? Do you have to do anything special for your 1A rights??? why should you have to for your 2A rights, It's a right, not a privilege and as long as your an unrestricted person the 2A is not a conditional right either..

I don't want criminals carrying either but why do we punish people who are not restricted by having them have to do more than what is needed to exercise a right, the 2A should be enough. I agree NICS should also be the only requirement to purchase also.

NICS Check only for purchase.

Sorry I missed this yesterday, but done for both and now another for a speedy and quick recovery.

I was squadded with them the first time I ever shot USPSA earlier this year, actually it was the first time I shot rapid fire let along shooting on the move, they were a huge help for me. I'll be buying it from John also, for the cost and the amount I'll go through I skip reloading it for now.