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Very cool, now go get them and buy something, and remember the rule...

Raz agree, but in todays world we have Twitter..

Contact the NJ2AS as well as the NJSP Firearms division and see what both of them have to say on it would be what I would do. And +1 for you standing up!!!

Ok, cool, as far as the reference letters, at least you know they have them and I doubt that would be holding you us but a quick question to them if there is more from the references they need is still pending or not would clear that up. Keep us posted, and also, check out the compliance thread (Data Collection Thread) IIRC, and maybe someone from your town posted info on how it went for them in the mean time.

Really, I know, in there eyes that would make perfect sense. In my eyes and all of us, whats safe for my child, my wife and myself in my life is the ability to defend my self, but we already know that..

LOL, I'd co sider that a clue to knock off what ever I was doing to get myself pulled over in the first place. LOL By the way, not meant as a put down to you, I have to control myself at times when in the convertible and bikes as well as like most of us, had days we were just lucky to not have had a problem.

I use the power check but not the one from Dillon, I can't think of the make right now (CRS) but for anyone who has some sort of power check system, I have heard nothing but praise for the Lock out Die, but happy with what I have for now and it works for me. Either way, depending on what powder you wind up using, it can be more important with some than others, but no matter what, never rely on a mechanical devise as your only line of prevention. Get into a habit and work it into you rhythm as you use the Dillon (or any progressive) to make looking at the powder in each and every case as you're loading.

+1, Id +more but Frank says that's Man Love..

See post 7, I'd bet that may be a better way respond to them in my eyes..

Ant, educate the uneducated man as I know you will. I know this is known by all of us here, but just in case some of the new folks around didn't. Here is something to understand, doesn't matter if it's one group, let's say hunter for now being we all know people who hunt. They will say, so what, I use a shotgun, loosing the right to have an assault style rife doesn't effect me why should I care. Remember folks, point out to them, these are steps, whats being proposed might not be on the table, but as each RIGHT that we loose another one is put on the table and it's only a matter of time till what they care about is the hot topic. We may have separate disciplines in the shooting community, but we are all in this together, make sure everyone is aware of that..

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OMG, and to think, they live among us...

Some do some don't, 9mm and .40S&W I will use mixed headstamps..

Glad you not suggesting and only using that as an example but why is it we have to give up something at all. Why not them giving up something, I'm tired of this being so 1 sided. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

While can understand people frustrations, but I can't believe it does nothing. Do you really think that if people just sat back and did nothing that we would be in the same place we are today? I really don't think so, and semi advocating to people that what your doing isn't doing anything isn't really the message we as a group should be putting out.

My Wife owns a Travel Agency and is printing up the poster I just sent her to display..

LOL, I got pulled over once in the middle of winter, it was one of those cold day in the teens and I was on my Shovel, the one in my avatar. Funny thing was the cop that pulled me over was a shovel rider also and wanted to take a closer look and said I looked cold and could use a few minutes to warm up out of the wind, would have even been better if he would have let me sit in the car and BS, but still I was out, just having a nice ride and got to meet another shovel rider (preserver of old iron) Didn't bother me, if I had some place to go I would have said I don't have a lot of time and cut it short, but it all was cool with me. Probably another reason when I have time when I do cross country ride I like to take the old highways that parallel the interstates, there is still an old country out there with friendly people who like to meet new people and chat when you stop for gas, eat as a little choke and puke or find a place to lay your head for the nigh.

-Currently 103 days Way too long but something that does happen, not right, and being fought, but it still happens. - When originally submitting my paperwork my municpality (Willingboro) gave me my character reference forms to give to each of my references. Could this delay my process? Did your references fill out the forms and send them back? -Do I have to speak directly to the clerk/secretary although she handles the permits? Can I possibly contact a detective or the chief of police? I just don't want to step on any toes but I am getting frustrated with my township You can speak to anyone you wish, and I would speak to everyone until I had what I wanted, just be nice, and start off asking if your references were returned, if there is anything you can do to help speed up the process. Io usually do that at the 2 week mark in my town, just to show I am still out there, and that I am not to be forgotten. Now after you speak with the clerk and detective and if they don't give you a good response or brush you off, speak with the chief, again if not getting info, talk to the Mayor. Also NJSP Firearms Unit as well as the NJ2AS to let them know being they are one of our most active groups locally working fix things. Keep us posted and what type of responses you received.

Ray, yes they do..

Actually the only punch they want to land is the complete banning of gun ownership, and thats the fight, each other step is only a step closer to what they want, and like I said, why is it only a single direction? It should be and this is the time for that to change.

Worst part of it, if you and Ray were having this discussion in person, and knowing Ray, you would be both laughing your asses off with how the convo would go, but put it in the written word here on the forum and it turns into this..

Actually, besides standing firm, why not the Pro 2A side really put a push on removing all the BS Laws on the books that do nothing to prevent crime and are there just to make criminals out of law abiding, responsible gun owners. How aboout this, we say, Want to make concessions, remove these 5000 BS Laws, no, ok no, then lets settle on these 2500 and we can do it again down the road. I know, but why is it only 1 sided? Really, especially when facts are on our side, ans since when did it change that facts don't trump emotions?

While this is a very touchy time in our history and I hate to say it, but a ban, an order of confiscation in this country would probably be the straw that breaks the camels back. Remember Compromise's are just Concession's and I see no wiggle room, see no well that's ok I can live with that. This is the time to fight this harder than anything, period. Also you do have to realize that there are topics like this being brought up on most forums and between 2A supporters, but I'd be willing to bet, NJ, NY, CT, IL 2A supporters are probably having the most conversations and doing the most doom and gloom perspective discussions. Just keep in mind, that a lot of people in these states are just numb and their views reflect that, but there are other states, Lots of them, where the 2A is very much alive and supported, actually when you look at the numbers, more states support things like CCW and are against new BS laws vs. the way it is here when you look at the national picture.

Welcome, and keep up the great work guys..Will you be posting the Monthly Flyer's in PDF format here also?? Also if you have it, the Origional NJ2AS Poster would be great..

Thanks will have my wife print and post it in her office window..