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Really? That puts it a full grain over max in my load charts. Im not bashing your suggestion but I am curious where that info came from? Thanks Ken

I did pull a couple rounds and the bullet did measure rite. It has a decent crimp groove in it but the rest of it measured out correctly. They fit the cylinder like a glove. If my adjustments dont fix it I may just give up on the 255gn hornadys and continue my search. Thanks Ken Ken

Interesting points. I would like to believe that the bullet heads are seating square since they fit the bullet seating cup perfectly. But, if the bullet isnt perfect to begin with..... I kind of wondered about the long cylinder on this gun too. That is a great distance before the forcing cone. Unfortunatly I am the only one in my group that has any love for the 45 colt. I may pick up another 45 wheel gun in the near future though. The really odd thing is the wild rounds are still fairly accurate at 25 yards. I would imagine that further out they would be all over the place though. What I have decided to do in the meantime is to reduce the load by .1 grain and try again with the same technique I am using now. I think that just maybe the rounds that where on the high side of 7.5 might be the ones that are causing the problems. I strive for precission in rifles and get a little lazy on weighing powder with pistols. The rounds I did weigh ( about 30 in 50) did vary by .1 gn or so. I just loaded 50 rounds and hope to get to the range within the next day or two to see what happens. I have also loaded different (200gn) hardcast lead bullets to a similar velocity to compare against. Ill add to this post after a range trip. Ken

They are still high for cheap ammo. The ammo Im after was high to begin with. The prices are now higher than they where before but nowhere near the increase of 525 round bricks of bulk 22. Im happy because I have not been able to find the two types of ammo I like until very recently. Their shipping does still suck however. My point is that you can find a little more variety. Ken

Almost anything else. I have no idea how I walked out of a store with the wrong powder. I didnt read it and the guy that got it out of the powder magazine didnt either. I load 40 cal, 45 colt, 223, and 308. If you have anything that you would like to trade that fits any of my loading, post here or send me a PM. I would also trade for bullet heads, primers, or brass. Im not looking to make a rediculous trade, my value on this pound of powder is $20. Ken

It looks like possibly, just maybe 22's are becoming slightly more available. I have been able to get a brick of mini mags and a brick of super X 22s from natchez recently. I find it funny that this is exciting to me but it is. It seems like they are getting more in because they are upping the daily limit on most 22's to quantity required for a full brick. The shipping still sucks but if you can get a full brick it takes the sting out of it a little bit. They still sell out really fast but they have added something in 22 a few times a week for the last week or two. If your needing 22's keep an eye on their site. Ken

Why can I not see the picture? It just says "posted image" I have a sweet spot for '94s and I cant even see it. Ken

I noticed that. The no lightbulb thing really pissed me off. All the target returns worked though. I sent an email. Ken

Cheyanne mountain outfitters. When stock is good there are no limits. If things get tight the limits come in to play. They also did not gouge one bit. For a while they where the cheapest place to get ammo anywhere, online or brick and mortar. Ken

If you are loading with any type of hodgdon, imr, or winchester powder go to hodgdon.com and look up some load data. There are a LOT of bullet choices for any given load you can think of. Ken

I just had to suck it up and do that with some 1f goex. I hate that hazmat fee and the inconvenience of having to be home when fedex comes. Ken

Bob is correct. I am not getting any leading at all. At lower charges I was not getting accuracy. Almost every charge was weighed since I am working up a load. The weird part is I got one or two keyholes at lower charges and the bullets where all over the place. At the current charge the keyholeing got a little worse and the accuracy got a lot better. I can almost put a hole through a hole except for the wild keyhole rounds. I think I am going to re evaluate my belling and crimp and try again. I am also wondering if this is due to the shallow rifling in the judge. I know taurus redesigned the rifling a bit to help the performance with .410 shotshels. If thats the case, this really sucks. I have never been so accurate with a pistol...ever. Maybee the lead is just too soft? I'll have to start working up a load with the DJ hardcast bullets and see if its better, worse, or the same. The rifling in the barrel is clean and sharp. When I cleaned the pistol last night it was no dirtier than any other load and there was no significant lead fouling. Im open to all ideas. Thanks Ken

Im loading 45 colt, as in old school 45 long colt Ken

I worked my way up to this load starting at 6.5. I stopped at 7.5 because that is where my best accuracy came in. I myself am sort of leaning to the crimp as the problem. When I bell the cases the bullet slips in about 1/16 with very little force and seats the rest of the way nice and smooth with no lead shaving. Ill try to get a good picture of one of my crimped rounds and post it here to get some input. I do have some hardcast SWC heads I may try. I am sticking with the Hornadys for now because this is the load I have worked up and I can shoot the center out of a target at 20 yards. This is the most accurate load I have come up with yet I might start working up a load with the other heads in the meantime. Thanks Ken

Hi all As the title suggests I am having a little difficulty with this load. I am loading: 255gn Hornady cowboy action lead bullet (.454") once fired winchester brass CCI large pistol primer 7.5gn universal clays I am shooting a 6" taurus Judge. Before you blame the judge it is only reloads that screw up here, not any factory ammo I have tried yet. Believe it or not, I have some of the best groups with this pistol. I can not correlate the keyhole to and particular chamber in the cylinder. Sometimes I got two in a row and then none for 20 rounds. I shot 50 rounds and had 4 keyhole. I gave these a fairly good roll crimp, just enough to see the lip dig into the lead. I did all 50 on a rockchucker and I know that I had no more than a .1 gn variation in powder. I was getting an average of 840 FPS with a 20FPS variation. I honestly find rifle reloading much simpler. I only recently started loading for pistol so any help is appreciated. Ken

I would trade you for the 231 if I had anything you are looking for. Things suck rite now. If I see the h110 or lil gun in my travels I will pick it up and make a trade with ya. Ken

They do come with 10 round mags for the neutered states. You can take the debate about power out of the equation if you just want a good target gun. Very low recoil and fast follow up shots are what I like the best about it. I personally would not like to be shot by one. There are a few people in Ft Hood that would have preferred not to also. Ken

Wow! What is that?

As collected, nothing done to it at all. I have my whole own methodology to brass processing and will process it as once fired pickup even if it had been partially processed already. Ken

Yeah. Thats why I changed my thought in mid stream. This multi language thing is total BS. Even a box of ammo has spanish on it now. That was always the last holdout. When the day comes and I buy a gun and the instructions are also in spanish will be a sad day to me. Im sure someone else here has already had this happen and is going to chime in soon. Thats all that needs to be done to fix this is declare english as the official language of the USA. There is no official language here. Ken

You must have put one hell of a crimp on it! LOL! I also use MG bullets and I can say that I have never had that happen before. It must just be some kind of fluke. Are they brass jacketed like the 40 bullet is? I cut one of those open and it was bonded to the lead core prety darn good. Ken

Also, what Mike said above is the truth! Awesome tool! Ken

Im glad you found the problem. If it is really just the brass that is a relief! If you have any type of motorized case prep device you can usually get the RCBS uniformer to use with it from Cheyanne Mountain Outfitters. I do think they had them in stock yesterday when I was there. If you do not have a motorized case prep device you can purchase one of them there too. I saw them yesterday. You can also use the RCBS tool by hand with the threaded handle they sell for primer pocket brushes but you will have to work hard that way. The last option is to use the RCBS uniformer with a battery drill if you have one of those handy already. On a side note, I find it necessary to uniform most lake city 7.62x51 brass because of the same problem you are having with the S&B brass. Ken

I have the original five seven and I can not say anything bad about it. I can hit the backstop at the 200 yard range with it! Seriously though, It is a nice flat shooting pistol that you can get a group with at 50 yards relatively easy with very little recoil. The huge muzzle blast is worse with the American eagle ammo than the FNH blue tip sporting round. I think the FNH ammo is slightly more accurate. The ballistic tip Vmax flies truer than the AE FMJ. The biggest drawback is that this gun destroys brass. It will blow the shoulder of the cartridge out about 1/8" This makes reloading tricky. The brass has a one or two reload max before the neck snaps off in the chamber, a new round gets jammed in it, the gun goes boom. In other words, It is not reloader friendly at all. At time the ammo is extremely difficult to find. Rite now its everywhere so go buy some if you are serious about the pistol. Ken