MarkWVU02

Police salaries are, I believe, public knowledge. Port Authority isn't funded by the public do their info may not be available. Bridge tolls are not taxes you are right. It's amazing people get so mad at a cop making 175k but get all into a hissy fit when there's talk about taxing millionaires more.

The problem would be potentially obtaining firearms with bodies on them.

I guess people didn't read the part I posted about Port Authority not being publicly funded.

Funny thing when I became a teacher everyone made fun of me telling me I'd never make a lot of money. When the economy tanked all of a sudden it was the teachers fault, and they quote teachers making 90-100K but have 20+ years working. I'm 10 years in and don't make a lot at all, but somehow I'm part of the problem.

Last time I checked Port Authority was a privately funded police force. Their money comes from rent on property (like trade center and airports) and tolls for bridges and tunnels. Correct me if I'm wrong. Although now we know why it costs $13 to use the tunnel. I'm also sick of the union bashing and cop bashing. Being a teacher I've seen my share of teacher bashing on here as well. People choose their careers and you could've easily chosen one of those.

The "Newton-Style Assault Rifle" thing really pisses me off. It seems like now they're just looking for anti-gun stories to write. He's probably had the gun for years and it was never used in a crime. Jersey laws suck

Definitely not jersey legal

Saw that but that was one of the ones still made in China. The CE models are Chinese...the CN models are American made from what I've researched. After taking a look at Stack-On and Liberty again the liberty feels more solidly made. There isn't that much of a size difference between the two...I think the 14 gun is 3 inches wider. From what I've read they replaced the 14 with the 12 when they moved production to the US.

I guess it's really about equal between these two safes. The Liberty is easier for me to get so now I'm leaning toward it. The Stack-On is an hour away at a lowes in NY and would either take too much time to get or cost more for delivery. It's probably six of one half a dozen of the other when it comes down to it. The Stack-On is slightly bigger though.

Read that too but also read they moved production to USA. Like I said the Liberty expert on lowes said the safe was made in the US.

I'm a teacher, if training was offered and we were allowed, I'd gladly carry.

The one I'm looking at is fire safe and has a manual combo lock. Personally I'm not a fan of the electronic lock. Would rather just do it manually.

I'm thinking of going with the Stack-On if I can get it. Problem is its an hour away where as the Liberty can be purchased locally. Although its made in China that Stack-On just feels more sturdy.

As for people referring to Dick's and their Field and Stream models, I'd consider it but I'm no longer going to give Dick's my business.

Both have solid reviews. I live on the first floor. The Stack-On would be delivered as the closest lowes that has it is in NY. I could get the Liberty locally. Me and a friend or two could handle it. They both weigh 250-300 lbs. I'm leaning towards the Liberty because it's US made, but te Stack-On is slightly bigger.

yeah those are more of a locker than safe

Stack-On 30 minutes at 1400 degrees Liberty 20 minutes at 1200 degrees they used to be made in China but are now made in USA. According to the Liberty Expert on lowes.com "This particular safe (CN12-bkt #387166) is proudly made in the USA in Payson, Utah."

I'm on a tight budget but would like to get a gun safe to better secure my belongings. I live in an apartment building that has security cameras and someone around almost all the time so I'm not worried about someone walking out with the safe. I know I can get a better safe if I spend more money but don't have the money now or the room. when I move to a permanent residence I plan on getting something bigger/more secure. Here are my two options: Stack-On 14 gun safe ($300 made in China) or Liberty Centurion 12 gun safe ($349 made in USA) I'll be storing 1 handgun, 3 long guns and some ammo. In the next year I only really see myself getting maybe another handgun and maybe 1-2 long guns so either of these two should be fine. Leaning towards the Liberty as it's made in the USA. Looking for recommendations between the 2. Don't really want to hear about others I can't afford right now. Please if you have any experience with either of these two brands please help out. Thanks for the help guys.

I'd rather see them crammed into a hot bus and returned to where they came from. Cheaper than clothing, feeding, and housing them.

Forced labor camps? You know what that sounds a lot like...

I have no idea. Just wished there was someplace a little warmer haha. Montana is beautiful though. I wonder how much we could get a few hundred acres for?

We should do a group buy for a large piece of land in a free state. Montana my be a little cold haha

Also the thing that usually happens is they get out of rehab and go back to where they're from only to hang out with the same junkies they always hung out with...sometimes you have to get away from it.

Definitely...but my response was geared towards the comment that "If you smack someone in the mouth enough times they won't need treatment. They just won't do it." This also doesn't work as most will get released from jail and now have better connections and a drug conviction that will get them turned down from most decent jobs. With any addiction people have to want to quit in order to do so. Sadly I've seen heroin ruin a few lives but a few beat it once they realized it and they decided they wanted to help. I wouldn't dump money into treatment for everyone but would support some money going to the ones that really want the help and may not be able to afford it.

Midwest Industries SS two piece rail for the AR and an Advanced Armament hoody.