MarkWVU02

This is pretty interesting http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=16022897&sid=3029898

Oh yeah I know just trying to gain a better understanding of the laws. Interesting because even if he was the aggressor it seems that once Martin was on top of him bashing his head to the ground it doesn't really matter because in the end you have the right to defend yourself. Interesting...unless I'm off here. Thanks for the responses.

Sorry about my wording i didn't mean you offered a theory...poor choice of wording. Just wondering how it could play out in different scenarios. My response was basically another scenario that could have happened (not that it is likely). Basically just interested in how these laws work.

That's pretty wild looking!

Honestly though if she was screaming for help I'd probably call 911... you don't have to strap on your gun and give chase to help out...

I still don't see what Trayvon was doing that was so suspicious, and that's where this all begins. Why is a kid walking down the street on a rainy night with his hood up suspicious? I almost called the cops one night for the same reason...girl screaming, guy yelling...but when i muted my TV I realized it was my neighbor (i'm in an apartment) banging some chick...loud man...sounded pretty crazy

The problem with that theory is with martin dead there would be no way to ever know. Let's say Zimmerman grabbed him and tried to hold him there without pulling the gun would the detainment be considered a crime? Let's say Zimmerman walks up behind Martin. Words are spoken. Martin turns to run. Zimmerman grabs to hold him there for the police. Martin punches fight ensues yada yada yada. What do you think would be the case there? Just interested in knowing how it would play out in different scenarios

Wow this one is just ridiculous...I'm sure you'll all agree. Of course from the New Jersey news media. http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2012/03/despite_trayvon_martin_cases_l.html

This has been discussed in one of these threads. I feel a lot of teenagers, especially African-Americans, have a distrust of the police. Maybe he thought he could get away. Maybe he just half thought the guy was following him. We'll probably never know. I remember when i was a teenager we were hanging out on the main street in town one night. My buddy and I went down to the store and witnessed this guy beating the shit out of his girlfriend. we intervened and stopped him. The girl ran off and we were left arguing with this guy. A few of our friends saw what was happening and came over. Things started to get tense when the cops showed up. funny thing the police started coming at us threatening arrest if we didn't leave the guy alone. It took a while to explain and the location of the girl to corroborate our story before things cooled down. we were amazed at how quick they came at us despite the fact that it was one of our friends who called them. of course this was before cell phones and the call came from the payphone across the street..

That's definitely quite possible. Zimmerman pulls the gun and now Martin fights for his life. That's an interesting scenario because if Z pulled the gun before the attack (maybe to hold him until police arrived) and a fight for the gun ensues it could change a lot. I'd like Woodentoe to chime in as to how Fla law would apply in a case like that.

Excellent post thanks for the info. This is what I hope to learn in a debate like this. Regardless of the outcome two lives have been ruined forever. I wonder what kind of affect this will have on the self defense and SYG laws in Florida

Here's another good article that I think says a lot of what I've been trying to say. http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20120328/ARTICLE/120329508?p=1&tc=pg

i could also see that happening. If that's the way it happened then Z deserves to be free. The problem is no one knows for sure and we're all speculating. Many of you have 1 idea and i happen to have another. I think great debates make us think abou the other side. If it does go to trial it'll be a sh*t show though.

It's a poorly designed website that's run by two guys whose sole purpose seems to discredit anything about Zimmerman being guilty...again not saying he is. All we know is Zimmerman said he lost visual contact, but yet you take him by word. If we must believe that Martin is a wannabe thug gangsta drug addict than we have to look at Zimmerman as a girl-beating cop assaulting scumbag with political connections that appear to have gotten him out of trouble. My point in this thread is a lot of what is believed is Zimmerman's own word. I just don't know if I trust the guy.

Those injuries could come from a struggle that may have ensued. NO ONE KNOWS HOW IT STARTED! It's possible Zimmerman confronts Martin. Martin tries to run. Zimmerman grabs him not expecting the kid to fight back or getting caught off guard. Martin punches breaking the nose knocking Zimmerman to the ground. Martin now fearing for his life jumps on top and starts bashing his head into the ground to knock him unconscious and end the threat. Zimmerman shoots Martin and claims self defense. I'm not saying it happened that way but it is possible and that's why I think there needs to be more of an investigation. We just don't know. Great link by the way...not the type of source I'd be quoting as truth. The Wagist there's no info or articles on this site that don't relate to this case and don't paint the entire opposite picture of what you complain the media does. It's just the other end of the spectrum and like i've said over and over the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

What I meant is if there's not 100% that states he's innocent then an investigation is warranted. One investigator already thought charges should be filed. I always thought trials existed because people don't know what happened and you have a jury of peers decide the outcome based on evidence.

Yes like I've stated the lead investigator felt there was enough to prosecute. Is it hard to believe that someone in the prosecutes office was protecting the judges son?

oh and Peter Pan is hilarious...Asian guy? I had an Eric Shin in my class in high school. go ahead say the name fast a few times. He was always in trouble and we'd all get a kick out of our VP calling for Eric Shin to come to his office haha

The only part that gets me about the first investigation is it was done by a police force that he and his family were "connected to" which just sounds fishy to me. I'm still trying to figure out how a guy beats an assault on police officer and 2 domestic violence charges. Something is just not right. I think you're right that he really won't get a fair trial, but with the publicity this has attracted it will probably end in an aquittal if it even goes to trial.

I will be and i think many people will be as long as it's thoroughly investigated. Will everyone feel the same way probably not but I think we need to look into it more before we exonerate Zimmerman.

I realize that, but it's a start in the right direction. Taking this guy's word and letting him go is ridiculous no matter what color his or the victim's skin was.

Ordered 5 15 round stubbies...assorted colors. Thanks for organizing this Maks.

That's all i ever asked for. The lead investigator felt they should prosecute. I think a trial is the right way to go. Really that's all I've really been saying. Obviously there's a lot of unknowns.