MarkWVU02

Also since when was a jury by you peers Nazi or fascist? I thought that would be the opposite. I don't remember the jews going before a judge before they got gassed.

Here's what I was going to post before I read the last insulting post. It's a well written article about the role the media has played in this case. I'll admit I was wrong about the Neighborhood Watch thing. He was just going to the grocery store and he had every right to CCW. I'm sorry guy but until we know who attacked who we'll never know who was right or wrong. Enjoy the article. http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2012/03/trayvon.html

Asian and Indian/Arabic names are funny because sometimes they don't translate. I've seen Phuk Thong Shithead Anas

Good to know. I always thought it was m855 that didn't pass the inspection process because of dented cases or some other "defect" that didn't effect the ammo but caused it to fail.

I love the use of dashes and apostrophes. Like I said I could type all day with some of the names I've seen.

Hope this works doing it from my phone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCdmiZyyGjQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player Not meaning to inject humor but this is hilarious.

+1 on keeping it at least loaded and not chambered. You might not have the chance to load at least if the mag is loaded all you have to do is pump and go.

Thats a pretty normal name considering some that I've heard La-A pronounced La-dash-a because "the dash isn't silent" Twins Vanessa and Notvanessa. Pajamas pronounced Pa-jay-mus that's a great story better told in person I can go on and on. What happened to normal names?

Unfortunately it's not going away and without a trial it'll probably get much worse. I don't see a problem with at least letting a jury decide instead of the police. We already see a connection between Zimmerman's family and law enforcement. That's enough for me to get nervous about the decision not to prosecute. I don't know too many people that have beaten two domestic violence charges and one assault on a police officer do you? I'm not calling it a hate crime (I don't believe it is) Honestly you should've seen the argument I had with two African American women I work with. They were completely on the opposite side of you guys and I used some of what I learned here to have the debate. I asked them what they would think if Martin really was the aggressor. It's tough because there are two sides and somewhere in the middle is the truth. I just want to know what happened and I think the trial would bring a lot out. Sorry if you disagree but I'd like to live in a world where if something like this happens we don't just let the guy go. If it were my kid I'd want some answers.

My argument isn't for one way or the other. You all seem to want to exonerate him. I'm stating i believe there surely is enough evidence to have a trial. People keep bringing up the one witness and ignoring that their were others as well as a phone call going on at the same time. I think in this thread we've learned that there is enough questions to warrant a trial. We just don't let a person go that just killed someone. I'm all for letting Zimmerman go if it was self defense, but shouldn't we at least try to find out. How would you feel if this was your child dead. I just want to see a little more police work than taking a guys word who has a pretty shady past. The broken nose and cuts on head only prove there was a struggle, it doesn't prove who started it. Shouldn't we at least try to find answers before we just let someone go? An investigator wants to prosecute shouldn't we at least have a trial. If he's innocent he's innocent but the way they handled this made this into a bigger situation than it needed to be. I would think this would be common sense. Believe me I'm not for stringing Zimmerman up but you're basically calling Martin a thug criminal when really it could be either way. Sorry I just want to see both parties given a fair shake even of one is dead and will never get to see it.

If he was not "on patrol" then he has even less of a reason to start following somebody at night. He should've left the policing to the police. He could've dialed 911 stayed on the line, waited for police, and avoided the whole thing.

I'm not siding with either and I've stated that multiple time. I'm just wondering how an unarmed teenager gets killed and then man is set free despite the lead investigator recommending prosecution. I've already said if Martin attacked Zimmerman than it was justified. I just want the facts before we set someone free. Obviously there was enough there to make the investigator want to prosecute. We probably could've avoided this mess had the police not royally screwed up.

I also never said I took any witness as truth. Everyone else keeps bringing up the witness, who didn't see the start of the fight, and I offered others. You say in one sentence that you'll take some guys "unequivocal" statements then end you post by say we shouldn't rely on witnesses. Which one is it? Like I said I'm just posting here and reading to come up with my own opinion of the case.

Thanks for the link Nick. I wish kids would realize it doesn't help their cause to do sh*t like this. I hope everyone else realizes this should have no bearing in the case. Either way we should all be worried. This case goes to trial I see Zimmerman getting acquitted which could spell a lot of trouble. Maybe time to buy a little more ammo.

I'm not saying link everything but if you read something important to the case it takes less than a minute to link it. A lot of people post stuff here as fact when in fact they're not.

Obviously you're missing the point of my posts. A lot of people are stating things as facts on here when in all honesty none of us know what happened (the pictures the twitter). I'm offering some other views and opinions here because I feel that's how we all form an opinion by looking at all sides. I feel many here are biased because if it turns out Zimmerman attacked Martin it could really hurt gun rights. Neither witness saw any attack so it is possible either could have been the instigator. No one saw any attack only two people on the ground so it's possible it could've happened either way. Is it really hard to believe Zimmerman grabbed Martin and Martin, an athlete, was able to get the upper hand. Is it possible to believe that Martin might have been the one acting in self defense. A lot of people in here are portraying this kid as some seasoned thug and want to paint Zimmerman as a hero. The truth probably is they both weren't model citizens. People are ignoring the fact that he had an assault on a police officer and 2 domestic violence charges. So if Martins past makes him a thug Zimmerman's past portray him as a violent confrontational person (you know the kind that might take the law into his own hands). Look I'm not saying Zimmerman is guilty and Martin is innocent but many of the people on this board are posting flat out lies (once again the picture and twitter account). We probably have something in common...we both want to know the truth. If Zimmerman attacked Martin he belongs in jail...if Martin attacked Zimmerman he deserved what he got, but until we know the truth there's nothing wrong with a little debate about it. But to say because someone saw Maryin on top of Zimmerman after the fight started doesn't mean anything. I've seen fights get started that ended with the aggressor on the ground getting the sh*t beat out of them. Haven't you?

There are two witnesses who both saw something. 1 that saw Martin on top of Zimmerman and 1 that saw Zimmerman on top of Martin. Martin's gf seems to support the claim that Martin was attacked. I heard he was patrolling and was walking back to his car from walking to the grocery store (patrolling the area not shopping could be wrong but that's what I heard). As far as the "evidence" supporting Zimmerman is pure opinion. Seems everything I say gets refuted but at least I provide links to prove my point. What does Zimmerman's past make him look like then?

Probably since it's easier to find out things about Z's 3 arrests since they're police issues. The mugshot was probably obtained through the police and Martin's through the school (looked like a school photo to me...not 5 years old but a little out dated). Digging up info on Martin is tougher since school records are private and supposed to be protected. Whoever leaked the info at the school is probably risking losing their job. It's amazing how many things have been faked to make Martin look worse (photos, twitter account) but all Z's arrests are legit and actually on record. Obama selling a sweatshirt has nothing to do with this. The article states the republicans sell hoodies. What's the big deal? I own a bunch of hoodies am I a criminal? I wore a hoodie today to work am I supporting this case? No, it's just a damn hooded sweatshirt.

I'd like to know too since I haven't seen any news of this anywhere. Not saying it hasn't happened just can't find it anywhere.

Wound up getting one off a forum sponsor after we exchanged PMs regarding a Ruger 10/22. Decided to go with the Marlin. After the purchase in complete (he has it in just need to get down there) I'll post a review of the gun and of the store

Thanks for the reply. Will order after work today. I think I just need 5 altogether. Prob all 15 round stubbies. 2 black 2 OD 1 FDE

You got some practice and Bill's wife got to meet Bill's girlfriend. Good job getting the gun away before the cops showed up!

Know not worried about. Believe me it looks real suspicious. My point is you can't bring up things about Martins background (burglary? Weed possession, suspensions, etc...) and make him look like a criminal and not look at Zimmerman's past (assault on a police officer, 2 DVs, a history of 911 calls about suspicious people) and not think twice about him. I'm trying to be as fair as possible about it. Looks like neither one were upstanding people. I just have seen a lot of things that point the finger at Zimmerman. Either way this case is going to hurt our cause and I fear what the outcome could be with rioting and civil disorder. Scary sh*t man.

Most of what I've read states he was patrolling for NW. I don't disagree with you on carrying because I would but I also wouldn't volunteer for a job that tells me not to carry. I'm not arguing te legality of him carrying just he shouldn't be carrying in that situation if that's part of being NW. Another good article from the Miami Herald that's about as recent as can be. Notice know mention of Martin's burglaries. http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/27/2718130/sanford-cops-wanted-to-charge.html