MarkWVU02

Another good one that shows all the different witness accounts. Whose story do we believe? It could go either way but Zimmerman has the upper hand since Martin can't tell his story. The key thing is Martin's girlfriend hearing him say "why are you stopping me" at this point a stranger is stopping you at night in an unfamiliar neighborhood it isn't a stretch to believ that Martin could've also feared for his life. It's a sad situation because It appears both did things wrong. I ultimately feel Zimmerman is to blame because he shouldn't have been armed and shouldn't have pursued.

"Zimmerman violated major principles of the Neighborhood Watch manual, which states, “it should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers, and they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles.”" From an article detailing the timeline of we events. Good article. Not saying immerman is guilty or Travon is innocent just want to know the facts, and I don't think either side is shooting straight. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/03/trayvon-martin-case-timeline-of-events/

Great link to a UK site we all know how reliable their news has been. These reports from private school documents have apparently been leaked. I'd like to see solid evidence of this. I'm not saying the kid is a saint but a lot of stuff has been fake. The picture of him giving the middle finger and the twitter account itself both have been proven to be faked. http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=16016688&sid=77&cid=77 (halfway down the article they talk about the twitter account). It's amazing how everyone says the media lies to us when it is against their side then quotes them for truth when it supports their argument. Seems the conservative media has just as much of a stake in this as the liberal media. Even if he did have a screwdriver and jewelry doesn't necessarily make him some burglar. No charges were filed in connection with any burglary. You use that as evidence that he's some awful kid but won't look at the assault on a police officer and 2 DV's that Zimmerman was accused of and think for a second maybe this guy was a loose cannon. I'll keep going man don't you worry, what am I going to get banned for stating my opinion and refuting some of yours?

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No more politics..enjoy

Well said! Couldn't agree more.

These guys seem to be right on. I looked at mine and your disconnector is off. Hope just replacing that part works...check the spring too maybe it's in there all funky and throwing things off. My buddy's was a b*tch to get in and it took us a bit to get it right. This looks interesting. Wondering how much of an improvement it is over the stock trigger.

I can see it happening but I think Obama spoke about it because it has become a real big national debate...just look at this forum. It's a case that will be talked about for years regardless. I can't blame Obama for everything he does like some folks on here...I think it genuinely hits home when a kid is killed and it has stirred about a lot of emotion in people. He's trying to lead the country like a president does and all he really said was he wanted a further investigation (what's wrong with that) and i also feel he can relate being African American himself. Regardless of our feelings of race there are a lot of people out there that are prejudiced and still profile people (I'm not necessarily saying it was the case here but it could be). I've witnessed it first hand and i'll tell you it's a pretty horrible experience just seeing it (it was aimed at a friend). It's sad the race thing still has to be debated, it's 2012 we still can't get along?

+1 I'm not trying to paint Martin as innocent because I just don't know, but I feel some people on here want to paint this guy as the poster boy for CCW when in fact he could be a murderer...I'm sorry but you killed an unarmed man and we don't know who started the fight...Martin can't tell his side of the story.

Zimmerman was on Neighborhood Watch armed (usually against protocol to have a firearm) Sure about that? Ever been on a neighborhood watch in a state where it's legal to CCW? Just what I've gotten researching Neighborhood Watches Pursued Martin (again usually against NW protocol) Followed Martin, lost him, then started walking back to his car. How do I know this? Where was the body found? Hey see that big thing next to the body that would be Zimmerman's car. So either the "chase" lasted 10 feet or Martin followed Zimmerman back to his car. Again never seen this anywhere...care to provide a link? Magically loses Martin, who's not in his own neighborhood, in a neighborhood Zimmerman patrols regularly (sounds fishy to me) Yeah no chance a physically fit 6' 3" teenager can outrun a 5' 9" 250lb pudge ball Speculation and Martin's girlfriend has said he refused to run Is attacked while Martin is still on the phone with his girlfriend (something I've said before I can't see happening...if I was "attacking" someone I'd like both hands free) Try "Martin ambushes and punched Z in the face" Speculation no one knows who initiated contact Z could've grabbed M and started the whole thing Is released from police custody even though the lead investigator recommended manslaughter charges (hmmmmm) Try first cop on scene said "manslaughter" and after Z was brought to the PD and questioned and his story matched independent witnesses stories, was released. Oh and he was questioned 2 more times by the PD and released each time. Again politically motivated parents had nothing to do with that I'm sure Either way I feel Zimmerman set those of us who are trying to obtain gun rights back. I disagree, a person trying to do a good deed for his community is assaulted and when having his head bashed against the ground, fearing for his life draws his gun and fights back and kills the thug. Sounds like a win to me. That's if he was a thug..he could've been a teenager walking back to watch a bball game with skittles and an iced tea...you can't say for sure what happened. Hell we can't even be sure if martin lost him and got turned around and they ran into each other again...the kid wasn't from the neighborhood...i'd be a little sketched out in a strange neighborhood with someone chasing me You do a lot of speculating and pass it off as fact. I'm looking at evidence and offering theories as to what happened. You'd think you were their the way you're talking about it.

Al Sharpton is a clown!

I'm waiting on Ty's reply on the follower question before I order, but will order as soon as I know...I'm torn between stubbies and 15/20's..I'm going to get 2 FDE 2OD and 2Black if that helps

Wow talk about making assumptions...he might've been a kid who was defending himself...good job playing judge and jury. It's amazing you guys jumped down TMost's throat on his posts about his assumptions but not the people whose assumptions you agree with.

I know I just stated we shouldn't bring up past discretions but since this was a debate I figured I'd post it to add. The bold wasn't written by me.

I just read this...going to try and confirm its authenticity but from I can see it my few minutes of research it looks pretty legit Now we know why George Zimmerman didn't get arrested....No Words.......According to court records George Zimmerman is the son of retired Supreme Court Magistrate Judge Robert J Zimmerman, his mother Gladys Zimmerman is a court clerk....He has three closed arrests 7/18/05 for resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer........8/9/05 for domestic violence..... And again on 8/10/05 domestic violence Makes you wonder...sounds like he was pretty connected to me.

I know what they're capable of I'm just forming an opinion based on what I know. Zimmerman was on Neighborhood Watch armed (usually against protocol to have a firearm) Pursued Martin (again usually against NW protocol) Magically loses Martin, who's not in his own neighborhood, in a neighborhood Zimmerman patrols regularly (sounds fishy to me) Is attacked while Martin is still on the phone with his girlfriend (something I've said before I can't see happening...if I was "attacking" someone I'd like both hands free) Is released from police custody even though the lead investigator recommended manslaughter charges (hmmmmm) I don't know man we're all allowed our opinions and I guess I see things a bit different and think some things don't add up. My point is we all wouldn't want to be judged on the mistakes of our youth and dragging up either Martin's or Zimmerman's past discretions doesn't really relate to the case much. Either way I feel Zimmerman set those of us who are trying to obtain gun rights back. How many times is this case going to be brought up when we try to improve our rights in this state? Regardless of the outcome of the trial, if any trial happens, Zimmerman set us back. All he needed to do was call 911 and wait and none of this would've happened. He made the first mistake that lead to a series of tragic events. I just find some of his claims to be unreasonable. None of the witnesses saw Martin attack him only beating him. If a stranger was following me and I was 17 all hopped up on hormones I really don't know what I would've done.

Actually I don't think any of that has anything to do with the case. It's amazing Zimmerman was arrested for assaulting a police officer and we're supposed to forget about it but we have to bring up every little thing Martin did. He was a 17 year old kid. If you can't relate than you were probably a pretty boring 17 year old.

Good call forgot to mention that.

Awesome I'm actually picking one up in the next few days. Hope my experience is as good as all of yours.

Try removing the upper and pulling the trigger (making sure to stop the hammer with your finger before it hits the lower or slide release) then reset it. Do it a few times and see if there's ever a time when it fails to reset. I really have a feeling it's the hammer and disconnecter not working together.

Sounds like a 152 pages of a kid being a kid. Luckily they didn't have twitter and Facebook when I was his age. I'd have a lot of dirt to dig through. I guess nobody here remembers what being a teenager was like.

He's smiling and has gold teeth. He calls himself no limit N*gga Obviously you guys have no idea about urban culture.