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How would it be set up? Meaning how big of a piece do you need per test (do you need a full sheet), how many pieces do you need per test, how many rounds of each brand would you have to test to get a good sample? Might make for a fun, informative meetup in the spring. Could also settle a lot of debate.

Would love to...just don't know where I'd test it on walls. Any suggestions? Plus a good excuse to buy a shorter shotty

Honestly I went with a pump based on less mechanical things to go wrong...if I die because of user error it's my fault...it would suck to die because my shotty malfunctioned. Living in an apartment I'd rather go with my handgun anyway. Whether or not the sound of a shotgun racking will scare someone off is really up to the person committing the crime so I doubt there will ever be a definitive answer. I would never rely on the sound of a shotgun racking. I don't keep mine chambered (maybe I should) so I'd have to rack it and hope for the best. I live in an apartment so my shotty isn't my go to weapon. I'd have to get a shorter shotty to maneuver around here, and the whole over penetration thing really comes into play if I did. If I lived in a house then it would be chambered and ready and probably more of a go to weapon.

A dog barking can alert the owners and give them time to rack their shotguns haha.

You're right my dumb @ss was looking at the January calendar. So to clear things up Thursday Feb 9th

The sound of a shotgun racking could go either way. The guy could wet himself and take off, or now he knows where you are based on the sound and what you're armed with. I'd probably grab my handgun first, but I do keep the shotgun handy. I normally don't have one chambered so I'd have to rack it and hope this scares someone away...if not I'm ready to rock. I keep 8 rounds in the mag and the safety off. All I have to do is rack quick and I'm ready to rock. We did read a study in a criminology class (granted this was a few years ago). They asked burglars what sound they might hear entering a house that would cause them to leave #1 was a large dog barking #2 was the sound of a shotgun racking...you can take that for what it's worth but I'd venture to say most burglars wouldn't want to take the chance and meet the business end of a shotgun when the house across the street could possibly contain no firearms.

A lot of us were talking a bout a Rutt's Hut meetup so let's get the ball rolling. Let's try for a Thursday night and we can follow it up at a local bar for drinks after (for those of us that want to) I'm thinking next Thursday February 12th. How does this work with everyone?

Handgun: Springfield XD9 purchased June 2010 Shotgun: Mossberg 590A1 purchased April 2011 Rifle: BCM/PSA/Magpul began building May 2011 finished November 2011 I'm pretty new to this. My list of wants is much much longer.

Wow. Who built that upper?

If that's not the problem the only thing I can think of is the gas system...I'm assuming you've checked it out but is the gas tube long enough? do the gas tube and gas key line up and slide into each other?

I'm laughing my @ss off right now haha

This forum changes the work c*ck to penis for some reason. Scratch the question about the AR i just reread the thread and realized what you have

How much force do you have to use to charge the gun? Does it feel like it's getting hung up on anything? Are there any weird wear marks on the BCG, inside the upper, or on the buffer tube? I'd try giving it a good cleaning and try again. Lay off the grease. I don't use any grease. All I've ever done is clean and lubricate with CLP. Het a nice shiny coating on everything. For the buffer and spring I just wet a cloth in clp and rub the spring with the cloth. I'm not an expert but if none of this works it could be something with the gas system. sounds to me like if none of the above is the problem it would have to be undergassed. From your description the BCG is coming back enough to reset the trigger but not enough to eject the round. Kind of like when you practice with snap caps...you don't have to completely penis the gun to reset the trigger. A problem with the gas system could do this. What kind of AR is it?

Stole your post and posted on xdtalk.com...we need to get the word out.

My vote always goes to the Springfield XD9. Mine has over 2500 rounds and there's been 0 issues. Every bullet I've loaded (cheap ammo to expensive +p rated ammo) has fired without a problem. It's got a great grip angle that feels really natural.

Damn I'm pretty sure I have a bachelor party up in Foxwoods that weekend. If not I'm in.

There were two deleted posts where he basically said f*ck all "pigs" and we were all crazy for justifying this situation...or something along those lines...clearly he doesn't get what this forum is about. I could go into depth about how he insulted many of our members but I'll leave it at that. I've found that most of the guys on this forum who are also LEOs to be fair clear minded people. Part of me thinks he was a troll but either way I don't find that kind of attitude to be fitting to what's being accomplished on this forum. I don't always agree with LEOs (usually I disagree haha), but his comments (that have now been deleted) were uncalled for.

Clearly you are, judging by the comments you posted that we're deleted.

I had an LEO try to tell me once that it was illegal for me to keep a loaded firearm in my house (I told him when I'm home my guns are loaded). He actually insisted I was wrong. I laughed it off as I didn't have access to this site at the time (it was before i joined). My point...just because someone is an LEO doesn't mean they knows the laws. I hate the 15 rounbd rule...I always seem to find 16 rounders for my XD

Check amazon.com they have the hogue stuff around $50

Hell yeah. Glad to see another Mountaineer fan on the forum

This should end the thread. Couldn't agree more.

Haha excellent. I was a little confused at his post too

The problem is MOST of our politicians are a disgrace. We're so hung up on Republicans and Democrats that we don't even realize neither party has our best interest in it. The two party system has been completely corrupted in my opinion, and unless you have both congress and the white house controlled by both parties at the same time, we never see any change. Come on it didn't take just 3 years for the USA to get where it is...we've been getting hammered for years by both parties. I understand where a lot of you are coming from and in many ways agree on a lot of the points brought up. I just get irritated when you hear people still talking about the birth certificate (he was born here, give it a rest already), and I'm pretty sure if he was white and catholic that issue would never have even been there. The whole racism thing goes both ways because many african-americans who never voted before came out to vote just because he was black. I also believe a lot of the criticism he receives is directly related to the fact that he's black (it's just been my observation over the last 3 years). I can bring up many examples but don't feel like typing them. He's NOT a good president (I can't remember the last time we had one) but those who say he hasn't changed anything fail to realize it's impossible to change anything when congress is fighting you every step of the way. As far as him compromising...compromise is a two way street and i see the Republicans as not wanting to compromise at all. The whole racism thing plays out more when I talk to people from other states...I realized a lot of people I knew were very prejudiced. He's the president, I can't even imagine comparing him to a monkey or terrorist (maybe that's just me). We elected him and although we don't have to agree with him, we should still respect our president. I don't see any of you running (please someone do). The republicans also screwed themselves royally last election by putting Obama up against McCain/Palin...they basically threw the election. The Republicans look to be headed the same way with the crew they have battling it out now. Sometimes people vote for the lesser of two evils and with McCain/Palin we would've been one heart attack away from that crazy woman running this country. The one thing i do give Obama credit for was the mission to kill bin Laden. That was a really ballsy move for a president to make. If things went wrong this would have been his last term. At least give the guy credit for that. As for me I pledge no allegiance to either party. I try to vote based on the issues that effect me most like education because I'm a teacher. Over the last few years I've become a gun owner and advocate for gun owners rights so that will play heavily into how I vote in the next election.

My comment had nothing to do with how people vote. I've personally seen the true side of people since he's been elected. I've never said I was a fan of him or would vote for him. I just stated my observations since he's been elected. Bush spent 8 years destroying this country and everyone jumped all over Obama for not fixing it immediately. I really don't want to make this a long drawn out argument because it'll go no where. I just personally believe Obama wouldn't be taking as much crap from people if his name was Ted Johnson and he was white and catholic.