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The other point that I wanted to make is just because there is no hollow point (like power ball self defense ammo for instance) doesn't make it fully legal to possess in nj outside your home like fmj ammo. If the ammo is designed to expand it will likely be considered to be dum dum rounds and a box of 20 in your car is 20 felony counts if you are not enroute to the range. Watch out there. Dont get pulled over with it. For that reason alone I dont touch it. Not saying you shouldn't, just saying what I decided after thinking it through. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

Read the NJ statute it restricts hollow point AND 'dum dum' ammunition. Basically anything that expands can be considered dum dum ammunition. That is why I stick to FMJ or regular flat or round nosed lead for revolvers. In essence NJ enacted the geneva convention on ammo in this state for ordinary citizens. If you use anything expanding you are going to get flack for it during your arraignment, trial, and in the media. The public and the jury doesn't care if it is legal or not, all most people in the jury pool know is what they learned watching Lethal Weapon which is that it is naughty stuff and isn't it illegal or something? Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

Toolbox for handguns and ammo. Steel one with a padlock. If you want more security, bolts through the bottom of the box, carpet, and into the floorboards so the toolbox doesn't move. For rifle, pelican case under bed, chained to the metal bed frame. Or in the closet, chained to an eye bolt secured to the 2x4 behind the drywall. Locking a closet door is also a good idea. A deadbolt on the closet door will keep the cleaning lady out.

Great dealing with him, everything went fine, good guy!

I know dealers hate it when you buy from the internet anyhow - they want to make a sale to you so they can mark up the gun, not just be a NICS checkpoint. Meltzer's takes care of this by charging you more for a transfer if it is something new they could have ordered for you. But turning around and canceling your order with someone else, shipping it back to them when you are ready and able to receive it, and saying to the person you bought it from that they suspected you of being a straw purchaser - in effect slandering you as a criminal - that is inexcusable!

Wow canceling both on you is pretty poor service. What dealer is this? Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

Didn't you know that you don't have to bring your jammed gun to a gunsmith, you can just throw it over the wall a few times till it's fixed? http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/39120-winchester-white-box-walmart-easton-pa-purchases-lengthy/page__p__519213__hl__+easton%20+primer__fromsearch__1#entry519213

This is why I don't go to Cherry Ridge range. It's ridiculous. In Easton, they let people go down the range when they all agree to, not on a fixed schedule. In Easton they don't waste your time.

When you sell it to a dealer they give you a receipt with serial number and gun info on it and they log it into their bound book, documenting that it is in their inventory, so dont sell unless you are sure you dont want it back. A F Boyer hardware in PA is great for selling guns you dont want. Immediate cash and they pay good prices without haggling, their buy offers have always been fair. Once I bought a gun privately on the forum, didn't like it, and got what I paid for it at A F Boyer. This is an old fashioned hardware store that time forgot. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

Don't forget to breathe a sigh of relief when you pass over the Delaware River and enter the United States of America. Also, don't forget to get your Florida carry permit so you can carry once you arrive on the PA side. Remember PA law is similar to NJ law in that you can't have guns in the car unless you are going to and from the range, etc., HOWEVER, if you have a carry permit then you can have guns whenever you want over there, and Florida permits are accepted. There is a Wal-Mart if you drive one exit further down Route 78 and then go north for a bit, they sell ammo and supplies. An hour further down Route 78 is Cabelas, which if you have not yet been to is definitely worth the trip. If you get to the range and find the gate is closed and locked, it is your lucky day, you have the place to yourself. The gas station has great sandwiches and a good bathroom and awful gas pumps, they take forever to fill a tank and trip out all the time. Get your gas somewhere else. The final road down to the range after you get on the private road, make a right hand turn, and pass under Route 78, is a 25 MPH speed limit and sometimes there's a cop car waiting there. Slow down going down that road.

A fine gun, my first pistol. You can get conversion slides in 9mm, .40 and .22 as well. I have the .22 slide and it works great. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

Take transfer on both guns and then you can sell the other one later to whoever you want who can receive it legally if you decide you dont like it. Go to the range with your friend, maybe after trying it you dont like it much and he likes it and wants to buy it. Nothing wrong with him buying it right there if you paper it with the proper form and verify firearm purchaser id cards. Or have your reluctant dealer ship the gun you dont want to another nj dealer or a PA dealer to be transferred to your friend, and that dealer can then transfer that one to your friend without worry. That solves this ridiculous bureaucratic difficulty and would only cost shipping. Dont charge your friend more-an element of dealing without a license is profit. Charge exactly what you paid on it. Perhaps this dealer's concern originates with a very difficult BATFE agent breathing down his neck. He probably has his reasons for making you go through this. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

Or, for that matter, a pellet gun version of any other handgun you have. The Umarex ones are quite good.

Get a Smith and Wesson pellet gun revolver. $300. http://www.umarexusa.com/shop-by-brand/smith-wesson/s-w-pellet-gun-revolver They are fantastic, feel pretty damn close to the real thing, you can do target practice inside your house, they are very accurate, and cheap to shoot. Practice so you can shoot this well with double action and any other handgun is easy. And you can do a really fantastic round of target shooting for like $2 in CO2 canisters and pellets. You can even get a longer barrel and install it yourself. This is just a toy anywhere else but in NJ is a firearm and needs a permit. I had the gun store (Meltzer's) order it for me and then do the transfer. They didn't even have to do a NICS check, since the damn thing isn't a firearm as far as the feds are concerned.

When will we have particulars as to where to be and when it will start, etc.?

7 round limit means all NRA Standard Pistol target competitions are impossible. Timed Fire - 10 rounds in 20 seconds Rapid Fire - 10 rounds in 10 seconds How do you do that with a 7 round magazine? It's like the legislature changing the shape of the football. It's absurd for any number of reasons, but certainly at the very least legitimate target practice ought to be a consideration on magazine size. You might not need 10 rounds to get a deer, but you certainly need it to compete in an NRA Standard Pistol match.

I bet there are accurate polls out there but they are not going to be printed in the newspaper. Politicians have their own polls that they use to make decisions that they insist be accurate. These polls are not publicized. Polls in the newspaper are propaganda usually, performed in a manner intended to skew the results. What the actual numbers are, who knows? Who needs an assault weapon? Well, the Jews in Europe, from about 1939 to 1945, for starters. They could have used assault weapons, certainly. In fact they desperately needed them. Why is nobody having conversations along these lines? We've gone through the entire cycle of mass death by gun control, it's called Europe in World War II. A nation without armed citizens is subject to having its government abruptly replaced by power mad people with no scruples, usually government minded people, who "want to get things done". We've seen where that leads. No thank you.

By the way, regarding your question, your dealer's business won't just disappear. Everyone has heirs. If you have no children, no wife, no parents, no brothers and sisters, no cousins, etc., then the final heir is the State of New Jersey (or whatever state he is in). The state will appoint an executor to wind up affairs, make sure the business is square with Federal, State and local taxes, and wind up the business or sell the business to someone else. The state doesn't want to run a gun store, so it will probably look to sell the business or inventory to someone else who will take over. Keep your receipts as proof of payment and ownership of the gun. If this deceased dealer is in NJ, he has a NJ Dealer's license, were I you I would call the State Police, who issue the license, and see what they say, what they are doing. They might not even know. They ought to know. You might ultimately get the gun from the police after they secure his inventory.

I was at a gun store in NJ last weekend, the dealers were talking about how backlogged the NJ State Police are in the firearms unit for NICS checks. They have one phone line for the fax machine, they've gone through several machines since gun sales have heated up - so many checks faxed they are literally wearing machines out. They are severely backlogged and are taking days to get back approvals. They are not using overtime to clear the backlog so people have to wait for days to get approval.

If I moved to PA I wouldn't come back to any range in NJ. PA has better ranges and cheaper too and no silly laws. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

A 7 round limit even potentially knocks the venerable M1 Garand out of the running, depending on their definition of magazine, since its unique en clock clips hold 8. Will have to see how it is worded to determine if the M1 is considered a fixed magazine, and therefore potentially banned outright, or if it is legal with a 5 round en bloc clip (and I suppose a to be designed 7 round version). Yeech. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

Just a thought but a 30 rounder is very noticeable due to its size. Even if it is really blocked, any cop seeing you with it could on the basis of his sight alone get a search warrant of your house. I dont think it is worth the potential heat. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2

Since it is very likely that something is going to be enacted in New Jersey, perhaps we can get something out of it. For instance, it would be a huge plus if we could get the FPID and Pistol Permit process taken out of the municipal police office and just have the State Police run it. Then we wouldn't have to be dealing with these curmudgeons in the local police office, inconsistent local policies and delays, and when we move we could just submit a change of address instead of having to go through applying for the whole thing all over again. This is something that ought to be a high priority to tack onto any gun bill going forward this year. Since the NJ State Police does the NICS check anyhow, the whole matter of issuing paper pistol permits is ridiculous, I know for a fact that if you try to buy more than one pistol a month the NICS will be denied. So we might finally be free of these pistol permit requirements if the State Police take over the process. Going even further, getting some sort of shall issue carry permit attached to the bill might actually be achievable, as it would save the state money versus litigating at the Supreme Court level. This might also draw other interests into the picture which would help, such as local Pink Pistol chapters, gay rights organizations, womens rights organizations, whose members enjoy the ability to get carry permits in most of the nation to defend themselves, but not here. Concealed carry has a much broader base than just gun nuts, otherwise it wouldn't have been passed in so many other areas. Would you trade a state 10 round magazine limit for a real resident carry permit in NJ? To me that's one step back and two steps forward, a net plus. We need to think big on this, there is opportunity as well as peril. If we are just grumpy curmudgeons we are just going to lose.

It would not be an ex post facto law if it states that as of 30 days from enactment, nobody can possess them. An "ex post facto" law is one that makes action that already occurred place illegal. So they couldn't make it a crime for you to buy a magazine if you bought it before the bill was passed - when you bought it, there was no law against buying it. But they can make it a crime for you to continue to possess it after a certain date. The bar on "ex post facto" laws is to protect you from the legislature essentially enacting you into a crime for activity that was, at the time, illegal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law That is, of course, setting aside the issue of whether any such law was constitutional under the 2nd Amendment.

50 state carry permit reciprocity should be super glued to any federal 'deal' if there is some sort of compromise bill. And a strengthening of the interstate travel exemptions to fix the awful ruling in the port authority case at Newark airport. If there will be a deal we ought to get something positive out of it. Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk 2