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My understanding is that anyone who has been paid, was paid directly through Eotech via their pre-class action voluntary settlement program, which incidentally, is not as good as the proposed class payout schedule, although persons who took advantage of the voluntary program, are eligible for a slight kicker under the proposed class action settlement. But no double dipping. You will not receive an email acknowledgment that your Eotech was received. Based upon my experience, since they have invited the return of units prior to final approval, this has to be a pretty much a done deal. Usually payouts in this type of a class are first in, first out.

Recently at the Ft Lauderdale War Memorial Auditorium Gun Show which is one of the largest in the State. Compared to the pre-election one I was at attendance was down at least 40%. One of my buds owns a gun store and pawn shop here. He told me that handgun sales were doing much better than rifle sales and told me the same thing in Nov. Overall sales of new handguns were down but used guns compared to new at the show were up.

The car!! You can't drive a gun or shoot it everyday. You can only shoot one at a time anyway. The rest is eye candy. Any firearms you have that are standard stuff, will not appreciate in value, only the classics and collectibles will so dump the standard stuff. When you get tired of the car, cash out and just rebuy any standard stuff.

Classic Arms has a 9mm Carbine that takes Glock Mags. Price is $599 was considering one but decided to go with used Scar instead that I just bought from an Estate at a good price. I am not aware of any milspec 9mm carbines so you need to be careful

I have one of these. It is a very nice 9mm but I am upset with Springfield due to the position they recently took regarding a bill and will not be buying any of their guns in the future In fact, I recently decided to replace it with a Walther, which fits my hand better and put it on consignment in Fl. You need to try several 9mm before you pick that which is best for your hand and the type of shooting you want to do. There are several good 9mm on the market. Also check to for sale on the forum as you may find something you like.

The court hearing approving the Class Action is scheduled in June. So far, preliminary approval has been given, but until the final, payments cannotl not be made. Assuming the court gives final approval and there are no appeals taken, payouts should start sometime in July

I checked, the answer is No

Is there any place an actual Fl resident with a FL CWC can't carry that someone with a NH non resident permit can?

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Note Stay in Effect for 6 months UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF NEW JERSEY VICINAGE OF TRENTON ________________________ NEW JERSEY SECOND : HON. MICHAEL A. SHIPP, U.S.D.J. AMENDMENT SOCIETY and MARK CHEESEMAN, : Civil Action No. 16-4906 (MAS-DEA) Plaintiffs, : v. : CONSENT ORDER CHRISTOPHER S. PORRINO : in his Official Capacity as Acting Attorney : General of New Jersey, and COLONEL RICK FUENTES : in his Official Capacity as Superintendent of the : New Jersey State Police, : Defendants. ________________________ : THIS COURT having received a verified complaint filed by Plaintiffs New Jersey Second Amendment Society and Mark Cheeseman (Docket Entry 1), an Answer filed by Defendants (Docket Entry 18), a pending Motion for Judgment on the Pleadings filed by Plaintiffs (Docket Entry 19), and a response to Plaintiffs’ Motion for Judgment on the Pleadings adjourned by Defendants, the Attorney General of New Jersey and the Superintendent of the New Jersey State Police in their respective official capacities; and Case 3:16-cv-04906-MAS-DEA Document 28-1 Filed 04/11/17 Page 1 of 6 PageID: 183 2 This Court finding that plaintiffs’ asserted claims in this matter are whether, in light of the United States Supreme Court’s recent decision in Caetano v. Massachusetts, ___ U.S. ___, 136 S. Ct. 1027, 194 L. Ed. 2d 99 (2016) (per curiam), they have a right to possess a stun gun protected by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, notwithstanding the State of New Jersey’s prohibition of “stun guns” (defined as “any weapon or other device which emits an electrical charge or current intended to temporarily or permanently disable a person”), by declaring that “[a]ny person who knowingly has in his possession any stun is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree,” N.J. Stat. Ann. § 2C:39-1(t); N.J. Stat. Ann. § 2C:39- 3(h); and This Court finding that a separate New Jersey statute, N.J. Stat. Ann. § 2C:39-9(d), among other things prohibits the sale or shipment of “weapons,” which are statutorily defined as including all “stun guns,” by declaring that any such person who does so “is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree,” N.J. Stat. Ann. § 2C:39-1®(4); and This Court finding that New Jersey statutes define a “crime of the fourth degree” as one imposing certain penalties including imposition of a term of imprisonment of up to 18 Case 3:16-cv-04906-MAS-DEA Document 28-1 Filed 04/11/17 Page 2 of 6 PageID: 184 3 months and a fine of up to $10,000.00, N.J. Stat. Ann. § 2C:43- 3(b)(2); N.J. Stat. Ann. § 43:3-6(g); and This Court finding that plaintiffs’ prayer for relief in their verified complaint includes, among other things, a request for an order enjoining Defendants and their officers, agents, servants, and employees from N.J. Stat. Ann. § 2C:39-3(h) to the extent it bans the acquisition, possession, carrying or use of “Tasers[®] and other electronic arms” (Docket Entry 1, Prayer for Relief, § 1); and a request for an order declaring that N.J. Stat. Ann. § 2C:39-3(h)is unconstitutional and violates the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution (Docket Entry 1, Prayer for Relief, § 2); and an order declaring N.J. Stat. Ann. § 2C:39-3(h)unenforceable (Docket Entry 1, Prayer for Relief, § 3); and costs of suit, including attorneys’ fees and costs pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1988; and Defendants having advised the Court that, they, in their official capacities, and in light of the aforementioned recent United States Supreme Court decision, recognize that an outright ban on the possession of electronic arms within the state, regardless of the contextual circumstances surrounding any such possession, would likely not pass constitutional muster and enter into this consent decree and do hereby concede that the Case 3:16-cv-04906-MAS-DEA Document 28-1 Filed 04/11/17 Page 3 of 6 PageID: 185 4 aforementioned statute banning electronic arms in New Jersey is unconstitutional. IT IS on this day of , 2017, HEREBY ORDERED THAT: 1. The Second Amendment guarantees individuals a fundamental right to keep and bear arms for self-defense District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008); McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 742 (2010); Caetano v. Massachusetts, 577 U.S. __(2016). Further, “the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding.” Heller, 554 U.S. at 582; Caetano, slip op. at 1 (per curiam). 2. Pursuant to the holdings in Heller, McDonald and Caetano, N.J. Stat. Ann. § 2C:39-3(h), to the extent this statute outright prohibits, under criminal penalty, individuals from possessing electronic arms, is declared unconstitutional in that it violates the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and shall not be enforced. 2. N.J. Stat. Ann. § 2C:39-9(d)shall not be enforced to the extent this statute prohibits, under criminal penalty, the sale or shipment of Tasers® or other electronic arms; and 3. For good cause shown, any and all further proceedings in this matter, are hereby stayed for a period of 180 days until Case 3:16-cv-04906-MAS-DEA Document 28-1 Filed 04/11/17 Page 4 of 6 PageID: 186 5 such time that any necessary revisions to existing controlling legal authorities may be implemented; and 4. Plaintiffs are prevailing parties for purposes of an award of reasonable attorneys’ fees and costs of suit pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1988, and within 30 days after the date of this Order, the parties will either come to an amicable resolution as to the amount of attorneys’ fees and costs, or the Plaintiff shall make application to the Court for resolution; and 5. Nothing in this order shall constitute an admission of liability, duty, or wrongdoing by any party or an admission that any other statute, law, or any policy, practice, or procedure of the State of New Jersey, its officers, officials, employees, agents, or servants, at any time or in any way violated federal or any other law; and 6. No other law, including but not limited to the remainder of N.J. Stat. Ann. 2C:39-1 et seq., shall be affected by the entry of this Order. 7. The effect of this Order shall be fully stayed for 180 days to allow the State of New Jersey to institute new laws, rules, or regulations “that will impose reasonable limitations, consistent with public safety and the Second Amendment,” on the possession and/or carrying of electronic arms or “stun guns.” Cf. Moore v. Madigan, 702 F.3d 933, 942 (7th Cir. 2012). Case 3:16-cv-04906-MAS-DEA Document 28-1 Filed 04/11/17 Page 5 of 6 PageID: 187 6 ______________________________ HON. MICHAEL A. SHIPP UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE Dated: Case 3:16-cv-04906-MAS-DEA Document 28-1 Filed 04/11/17 Page 6 of 6 PageID: 188

I posted the particulars in NJGF-list with picts for you.

Where is the proper place to post a women's/girls Trek bike for Sale?? Steve

The purpose of Q 21 is full disclosure, followed by 22, which hopefully you can answer no, but if not you will need an affidavit or certification from a doctor. Presumably the severity of any condition, which may be permanent, and if it corrected or not, by medication or medical appliance, will dictate how you should answer question #21 Only you and your physician are informed about your medical history. Hope this helps.

So what happened to the M-1 carbines that were on the base after the DCM program ended and the lottery was over? Were the winners of the M-1 carbines, who paid for them, allowed to keep them after they were separated from service?

Is anyone running any of the Holosun Red Dot optics.?What do you think of therm? jet.com has one of the new models with an extra discount by putting in Spring15. that works on both solar power or battery, that I just picked up but have not used yet. It auto switches between the two when necessary or you can keep it in battery mode. Lots of features.

I have an extra X95 trigger pack that was used once to test it compared to my old Tavor trigger. I am expecting a reworked ShootingSight trigger by the beginning of next week at the latest. I put mine up on ebay for sale but with a best offer option. If any forum member is interested pm me and i will sell it lower because of ebay fees etc and ship it to you for free as soon as my the ShootingSight trigger comes in. Steve

No, the ones that qualify are listed on the internet under class action settlement

Do they ever get M1 carbines for shipment to FFL in FL?

For NJ people if "home state" ultimately comes down to what State issued your drivers license and CCW it is not a big deal to get a DL and CCW from a State like PA and under the proposed federal statute be able to carry here. There is nothing that a prevents a person from having more than one residence or as it is sometimes called dual residence. If you own property out of State or are a tenant or a tenant in common or joint tenant in a leasehold or a tenant in common in a sublease you would qualify in any state to get a driver's license. Just have some mail delivered to you out of state. This is why, as a practicable matter, NJ will have to fall into lockstep.

I think your point begs the question: 1. Is a flamethrower a firearm under federal law? 2.Is a flamethrower a firearm under NFA? 3. These are being sold at gun shows all over Fl

Get a UTAS-15 I have one for sale in the WTS forum

check this out www.EngineeredByPOW.com Stuff from FL Gun Show comments?

Here is the link to it and some very cool stuff www.EngineeredByPOW.com Let's get some feedback about these items!

P to P a flame thrower? The fact that arguably it meets the definition of a firearm (although it is also a cigarette lighter) does not answer the question if its possession per se is permissible. Sure, if you use it for other than self -defense( bona fide, self defense) -you might be charged with a predicate crime and a weapons offense also). But what if you are a mere collector/ The above news story does not give us the outcome. In addition that device was not marketed as a cigarette lighter which could actually function as one. i am told that devices like the XM2 might have a legitimate public safety function--to do a controlled burn of vegetation. To my knowledge, there is no reported NJ case regarding a flame thrower. If you think about it, a butane Bic used to light a barbecue would also meet the definition of a firearm quoted above.

No literature but I can email the vendor, as I believe he has a video of it he may be willing to share.