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Not sure if any of these are specifically what you're looking for, I think I remember seeing something like that in my many searches. http://www.bushmaster.com/products.asp?cat=7 http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=42974/Product/UPPER-RECEIVER-BARREL-ASSEMBLIES This is a full upper, but if you can find the barrel, it (might?) be what you're looking for. http://www.del-ton.com/AR_15_Barrel_Assembly_p/dt1015.htm This is 20", but I imagine they make a 16" (Usually, for me at least, 20" is harder to find..) http://www.del-ton.com/Del_Ton_Barrels_p/bl1014.htm Wait... here's a 16" http://www.del-ton.com/Del_Ton_Barrels_p/bl1012.htm I'm not sure if this is the stuff you're looking for, I'm no expert on the difference between the M4 style systems, and the Ar15 ones, but hopefully something here will be of use.

Can I offer them coffee and cakes? Or would there be too great a risk of them burning themselves on the coffee, and of the cakes causing obesity?

I think it is more from companies. AR stuff is hot, and harder to come by (or more expensive). Usually people here are selling to buy something new, or because they're moving. Of course, as with anything, if you look hard enough, you can find it.

Nail on the head. I don't like the shorter carbine length. I can't quite explain WHY I want a full sized rifle, but I do. Perhaps the extra 4" won't really improve range/accuracy much of the rifle. Also, I have a tendency of reading too much, and experiencing too little, but I believe that the 5.56 was designed to fire at maximum efficiency out of a 20". Ideally down the line I want to get into distance shooting. No idea why, but the thought of hitting a target 300yds + is most appealing, but bull barrels will just make it too heavy in case i need to use it. I'm a complex person, if I'm going to the trouble of building something, I'm going to be picky with it, it's my nature haha.

I want to get some opinions, since I'm not sure if everything will be compatible, or if I'm forgetting anything. I'm only putting the upper receiver parts I'm looking at, since I still haven't really decided on a lower yet. I'm trying to get a A3 Flattop, with low profile gasblock, 12" rail, and with an A2 fixed stock. I'm currently looking at a Stag Arms A3 upper. http://www.stagarms.com/product_info.php?cPath=17&products_id=248 And a SA 20" Barrel http://www.stagarms....products_id=329 I need suggestions for the rail. I'm looking for 12" though. I believe I also need a gasblock, bolt carrier, and charging handle. I'm open for suggestions for that stuff. I'd prefer a flat, or even railed gasblock. Thanks for the help guys. OH, and if you have any of the parts I'm looking for, or similar stuff, that you don't want, let me know.

If you ever do that, and get a Garand for $200, I'll gladly pay $250.

My first rifle was the Savage MkII bolt action rifle. It's a nice little gun, accurate, reliable, simple to maintain, and a pretty good price. It's .22lr, and has 10 round box magazines (they may make other sizes too, I don't know.) But for a bolt action .22lr, I highly recommend it. If you were looking for other calibers, I'd recommend a VZ24, or Mauser, or Mosin. The old war stuff is great, and usually fairly cheap if you don't get a collector's piece. http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/MARKIIG This is the one I have, I believe. It has the "Accutrigger" (two stage trigger) and the same stock as mine.

Haha, well I just retallied for the current figures. The Average user age, as of now is 36 years old (out of 26 responses), it's gone up from 33.6 when I tallied earlier. Interestingly, as the average user age has gone up, the average age of shooting for the first time has gone down. The average age most people here started shooting is now just under 18 years old (out of 19 responses). Interpreting this data, it seems the older you are, the younger you learned to shoot. It looks like a lot of the people who are younger, in their 20s and 30s, only started shooting within the past few years. Those who are in their 50s seem to have, for the most part, started shooting before their tenth birthday.

Haha, ATF bad at record keeping? I thought they were pretty good at it considering how well they monitored the F&F guns haha. That's true, it just seems like a surprisingly low number, I wasn't sure if, perhaps, only weapons firing full rifle, or intermediate cartridges were counted in this. I always thought the 200K referred only to "true" machine guns, such as the M60, M249, and things like that. I figured that perhaps AKs and M16s may count too, but I wasn't sure.

Wait, so this means that there are only 200K (legal) full auto firearms in the country? I just am curious since you look on youtube, and you see people with full-auto MP40s, and things like that. I mean, perhaps 200K is a larger number than I see it to be, but it seems that there are more full-auto guns than that in the country. I get confused as hell with this stuff, forgive my ignorance.

Haha, I guess I didn't even answer my own question. I'm 20, been shooting since May of last year. Then again, I come from a fairly anti-gun family. Not so much that they don't believe in the RKBA, they do, but they don't personally want to own them. Oh, and from the people who have posted so far, the average age is 33.6, which is far lower than I expected. I didn't factor poll votes since I'm not sure exact age there (without creating a ton of different age categories). I factored only the 9 people who responded with their current age, including myself. Interesting result, though perhaps not truly representative of the full NJGF community, since it's still a relatively small response, the results so far are much younger than I would have expected. I was anticipating a median age of around 42. Also as of now, there have been 7 people who have responded with the age they started shooting. The average there is 21.6, though most started fairly young. I want to keep track of this, and see what results we get. This is pretty cool to me haha.

I was just curious, I figure that having just turned 20 in February, I'm likely one of the youngest members on the forums. Guns require a lot of disposable income as a hobby (ammo ain't cheap after all) and I was curious what the average age is. I'd like to do an actual average, but unless everyone who responds posts their actual age, that won't happen. I'm just curious, I always figure most of you are probably between 35-65, but, then again, I could be wrong. I just thought it would be interesting to see if the NJ firearm community is mostly older, or if we have a lot of "young blood" such as myself here. Also curious, how old were you when you got into shooting?

Haha, I know that feeling. I'm only 20, work a part time job, and am a full time student, so it takes me months to save up for a new gun. Actually, I've been scrounging for almost a year for my AR build. It's a shame, but when you see those new toys come out, or see something fun, you just HAVE to get it. XD I have that now, I already have my next few gun purchases planned out. After my AR, I want to get some sort of shotgun, then a levergun, then maybe a 5-7 (since I'll be 21 by then), and then finally an M1A, or mini-30. Of course, there are a few other things I'm thinking of getting too. But I am more of a collector with these things. Yes, it was 1914- November 11th 1919. Like I said, the English cancelled a contract, I forgot which war it was, but if it was WWI, then the contract would have been cancelled in late 1919. Technically not the 20s, but at that point, I was arguing over about 2 months. I could go upstairs and get my book, but I'm too lazy to do so. Scratch that, since I hate presenting false information, here's the actual info. From, "Winchester, an American Legend" by R.L.Wilson. "The contracts (November 1914 and March 1915) through J.P. Morgan & Company for British Enfield rifles totaled 400,000, and represented $12,500,000 in orders. But delays had occurred for various reasons, and whne Winchester was ready to begin assembly, the date was just four months prior to the agreed-upon cancellation date of May 31, 1916, when the British could cancel all orders for rifles which had not been delivered. ....Finally, in September 1916, the British authorities advised they were canceling all Enfield contracts. A deal was brokered which prevented Winchester from gaining any profits, but which prevented substantial losses, in the end nearly 246,000 rifles were delivered to the British by Winchester." Here's the point I was making, from the same book. "The pressure cooker of the WWI contracts and the increased costs of expansion left Winchester in a vulnerable position......." and then it goes on to mention Winchester's problems with money until the American entrance into WWI. I had made the mistake that the war ended before the contract was filled, which would have given it a timeframe close to, or in, the early 1920s. Needless to say, I just hate looking like a dumbass XD. But the point stands, companies are anticipating a decrease in gun sales in a few years, so expanding may leave them with a lot of costly production equipment to fill fewer orders. I mean let's think of the things driving sales. Obama- Fears he'll crack down on gun ownership is driving sales like never before, however if he doesn't get reelected, or doesn't go after guns (which I think he will, but that's besides the point) then demand will go back down. Zombie Craze- With the popularity of shows like "Walking Dead" and even Top Shot, and Sons of Guns, more people are getting into shooting, but as with the boom in sales of the .44 magnum after the Dirty Harry movies, this will slow down over time. Preppers- People who are convinced the world is ending are stocking up on guns, food, ammo, and all that stuff. If 12/21/12 passes without incident, then likely these sales will decrease. I may be forgetting some factors, and other factors such as crime, are always present. However, this year is unique due to ALL the various factors increasing demand happening at once. If Obama loses, and nothing happens 12/21 (and I mean nothing, if something happens that day that could "signal" the end, such as entering into a war, or some other huge international incident) then sales will go down dramatically.

This is very true. Reading a book about Winchester, they got burned by something similar back in the 20s or 40s (forget if WWI or WWII) but they had a huge order from England. Something happened, and the order was cancelled, and they nearly went bankrupt. Most companies won't want to increase production at the moment for fear of being stuck with a lot of expensive equipment, but no orders to fill in the future. It seems that though there are more gun owners, it seems as though for the most part people who own guns are buying more. We're just going to have to bite the bullet for a while unfortunately.

Yeah, I usually shoot Federal .22lr. I like it quite a bit, perhaps it's not the best, but works for me. But yeah, when I bought my .22, I had a little trouble at first (and it's bolt action) just try breaking it in if it's new. I think my one friend would leave a new magazine full of ammo for a day or two before shooting just to break it in. I haven't heard anything bad about that ammo, and I doubt it's a real problem with the gun. Just gotta work her a bit.

Interesting. I personally, for the most part, only have an interest in guns, or variants of guns, that have at one time been used by SOME military. I don't care about most civilian marketed firearms, so when I look for stuff it's usually milsurp, or milstyle. I guess this is because, to me, firing a gun that was used by a military is a big part of what being a solider was like in that time. When I fire my Vz24, which is similar to a Mauser 98, it's interesting to know that soldiers felt that same sensation, pulled that same trigger. Of course, a range is nowhere near the same as a battlefield, but it's still fascinating. I'm surprised how few are "collectors" out there.

I've been complaining about that lately. I'm trying to do an AR build, and A3 flat-tops are sort of hard to find (at a decent price) as are 20" barrels. It seems companies are focusing their efforts on 16" barrels, since they're more in demand, so 20" are hard to find. It's crazy.

I think we use the M14 for honor guards and things like that. I remember when I was in JROTC, we had the old 1903 style drill rifles, we went to a competition in Linden (?) NJ and this Marine JROTC unit had M14s. I was jelly as hell, the M14 is my favorite rifle of all time haha. I mean, the SKS may balance better, but it's also better looking. Read my signature haha.

I will say this, one of the few handguns I REALLY like is the Five-seveN. If I were 21, I'd be buying one now.

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Because there's such a shortage of them. XD I'll make some "rifles" out of pipes and wood, say they're assault muskets. The irony of this, the percussion cap was invented by a Scottish preacher.

That's how I felt when I smashed up my 97 Maxima's front. The black bumpers don't actually really look that bad on my car.

I never understand crime like this... Why victimize other people? I mean, honestly, I'd be willing to give money to someone if they were having a hard time... It's a sad world we live in, particularly when people target the elderly.

I don't know, that's just what he said. He has a PA hunting license, so we went there to shoot for free, and make a road-trip out of the day. I've never seen that with shooters, but then again, I usually stick around Bob's little, and shot my .22. Of course, that's because I haven't had the time or cash to make joining a REAL range worthwhile...

That's rough man, I'll keep you in my prayers. I'll ask St. Joesph, patron of workers to intercede for you as well. You're sort of far away, but my best friend's father owns a garage in Philly, and they get cars once in a while, good used ones that they sell for a good price, I could see if they have anything you could get for cheap.