FamilyMan

Browning BDM - nice that grip was small, but double mode, while interesting, ended up causing the trigger to be marginal. Very reliable but not accurate sold it to a buddy for $200 just so he would have a 9mm for home protection. He has since bought a nice Sig p226. I moved on to an HK P30L LEM V1 - love it.

Great responses!!!! I'm open to spending more (getting to Pizza Bob's point) but I'm unlikely to be shooting past 50 yards. So maybe a fixed 4x Nikon??? I have a Wegand rail which I put my EOtech 512 on just for fun. Worked great (almost felt like cheating), but looked soooooo odd I took it off. Fiber optics could be nice, and recommendations on brand. I like the gold dot on the front, but its a little big (or so it seems) for accurate work.

I have a S&W 627 PC and am thinking of putting a scope on it. As my eye sight gets worse I am having a hard time focusing on the front sight. Just soooooo much easier to hit the target with a red dot or a laser on my handguns, but a scope???? Was thinking a nice silver Simmons (around $100) would be worth a shot. So my questions: (1) I'm cross dominate (shoot right handed but aim with left eye). Will this make a handgun scope hard to use? (I would think not since I use isosceles stance). (2) I'm not planning on hunting with it so is a Simmons good enough, or should I save up for a Leupold? thanks so much, FamilyMan

Finally got my P2Ps from Montclair!!! Last name starts with 'R', submitted on Nov 13th - so a few days short of 6 months. But its finally done and major points for MPD, they did the best they could. So the backlog should be clearing up finally. Now its on to the NICS delays, but I'll take the progress.

Anyone know what the membership count is looking like?

Took the tour, joined at Gold level, looking forward to pig roast tomorrow, AND range opening next week. So Anthony, when do you think you will have the rental guns in stock? I want to try out a few ideas before buying something. Are you taking suggestions on what to stock? If I might suggest having a few 22LR pistols in stock to rent. It makes sense for new gun people to shot 22LR pistols first before moving up to even a 9mm, and the ammo is cheaper (at least when you can get it). Just a thought. As to more powerful handguns, I would say go popularity, what you can get, and what you can get ammo for. FamilyMan

I talked to Montclair PD yesterday and they confirmed that they are getting back background checks and process FID/P2P. Mine has not come in just yet. I'm an 'R' so hopefully this gets finished next week.

At least Frank is saying they are (a) received the records, (b) making progress, and © working hard to get checks started again. Below is the email I got this afternoon at 5:03pm. ------------------------------- We did receive the records and we are working around the clock to sort and begin the background checks. Frank J. Del Gaudio Risk Manager County of Essex 465 Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd. Newark, NJ 07102 (973) 621-4427 -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 1:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Essex County Mental Health Records Recovery Mr. Del Gaudio, I am writing just to get an update. As you know there is quite a bit of interest in these records. Did you receive the records from Belford as you had hoped? It would be good to be able to tell the public that Essex County is again processing background checks.

Assuming you are both in NJ - you don't need an FFL. However I'm pretty sure you need a P2P (someone check this). If you have a P2P then is simply a private purchase at zero cost. If she is in another state I think you will need an FFL and likely a P2P. Love your avatar (stainless SIGs are great).

If you don't have time to call Frank, then email him: Risk Manager Frank Del Gaudio (T) 973-621-4427 (F) 973-621-6650 [email protected] Once we have the name/number of the company then we call them daily.

I called and got voice mail. I did not leave a message. Figured I'd call my local PD to see what they can do.

Just talked to my local PD - very very helpful. The detective said he will call Frank. He had been talking to Nancy in the past and did not know Frank. He took down Frank's numbers. Hopefully we can get more info. He was a great help and is doing the best he can. But this gets right to the heart of "asking permission" to exercise a right. The next thing will be to ask permission to exercise a different right, like say the right to free speech. They will be calling to register journalists and bloggers because we all know the pen is mightier than the sword. Funny I don't know anyone who uses either of those anymore. Maybe we should update that to the keyboard is mightier than the AR?

Let's see if we can find out who her boss is and start calling him/her.

I got the same letter and was very very pleased to get it, and with the redistricting he is now my rep so I am very happy.

RTSP in Randolph and Luciano's (now Ottomanelli's) in Woodland Park (used to be West Patterson) - both in Northern Jersey.

Many LGS will let you buy a handgun (paying full price), they then hold it until your P2P comes through. Then you finish the transfer. That is what I am doing with a S&W 627. There are a fair amount of handguns on most LGS shelves, just not any rifles that I can see (and I mean zero). Pricing is another issue.

Check out the NJ State Police site: http://www.njsp.org/info/pdf/firearms/062408_title13ch54.pdf It contains all of our state firearms laws, and starts with the below words (note the expiration date). I wonder if this is really why Essex County has stopped doing searches for P2P. I'm not sure if I want them to have renewed this Chapter 54 or not. If not then we are on Federal Laws only, but try to convence an FFL of that, and if not then are they going to put something worse in??? Does anyone know of more/better info on this? Maybe they just have an old version posted. For now everyone is following Chapter 54. I do see that they were previously readopted by Executive Order (maybe that's what happened this time). FamilyMan TITLE 13. LAW AND PUBLIC SAFETY CHAPTER 54. FIREARMS AND WEAPONS Title 13, Chapter 54 -- Chapter Notes CHAPTER AUTHORITY: N.J.S.A. 2C:39-1 et seq. and 2C:58-1 et seq.; as to N.J.A.C. 13:54-1.15, N.J.S.A. 47:1A-2 and Executive Order No. 9 (Gov. Richard J. Hughes, September 30, 1963). CHAPTER SOURCE AND EFFECTIVE DATE: R.2007 d.378, effective November 13, 2007. See: 39 N.J.R. 2324(a), 39 N.J.R. 5349(a). CHAPTER EXPIRATION DATE: Chapter 54, Firearms and Weapons, expires on November 13, 2012. CHAPTER HISTORICAL NOTE: Chapter 54, Weapons and Explosives, was adopted and became effective prior to September 1, 1969 pursuant to Authority delegated at N.J.S.A. 2A:151-1 et seq. Subchapter 6, Security Systems for Dealers, was adopted as R.1971 d.158, effective September 3, 1971. See: 3 N.J.R. 158(a), 3 N.J.R. 207(a). Chapter 54, Weapons and Explosives, was repealed and Chapter 54, Firearms and Weapons, was adopted as new rules by R.1986 d.413, effective October 6, 1986. See: 18 N.J.R. 51(a), 18 N.J.R. 2048(b). Pursuant to Executive Order No. 66(1978), Chapter 54, Firearms and Weapons, was readopted as R.1991 d.564, effective November 18, 1991. See: 23 N.J.R. 2250(a), 23 N.J.R. 3521(a). Pursuant to Executive Order No. 66(1978), Chapter 54 was readopted as R.1996 d.579, effective November 18, 1996. See: 28 N.J.R. 4375(a), 28 N.J.R. 5181(a). Subchapter 7, Retired Law Enforcement Officer's Identification Card to Permit Carrying a Handgun, was adopted as new rules by R.1997 d.348, effective August 18, 1997. See: 29 N.J.R. 2624(a), 29 N.J.R. 3733(a). Chapter 54, Firearms and Weapons, was readopted as R.2002 d.183, effective May 17, 2002. See: 34 N.J.R. 211(a), 34 N.J.R. 2136(a). ....

Just talked to my local PD again just to check. He said that the county has picked a vendor and the vendor has started. I would assume this was part of the delay as our country procurement process is undoubtedly silly and long. Anyway he said two interesting things: (1) he believes the county over estimated the time to fix it and (2) if come March they say something silly like "its going to be September", then he expects major problems I'm hoping #1 is right and they get it fixed and caught up in the next 4 weeks. I think contacting lawyers and getting ready for #2 makes tons of sense.

I got a call back from my local PD LT who said he called the county (which is a nice thing). His message was that he had talked to the county and got the same "we are working on it" response. He honestly is trying and was upset that the county had no better response. The people who are "working on it" could not even give the county rep an estimate for completion. So it may be time for a lawsuit just to get their attention - say $10,000 day for each day over 30 for each occurrence (a class action) The law says 30 days and I know there has been legal precedence to hold off when "public safety" is an issue but this is ridiculous. Is it our fault that the government "lost" the records? What if they never "find" them? I thought this was a "innocent until proven guilty" country. So why are we being deprived of our rights due to no fault of our own??? Is anyone a lawyer or know if a lawyer or know someone at the NRA/GOA who can suit the county? This incident certainly brings home the point about needing government approval for our rights. What if the government just chooses not to respond even through the law says they must. We are doing everything according to the law, is it so wrong to expect the government to the same?

So I called the (973) 621-4464 number and talked to a very nice woman (likely the same one that the other poster talked with). She said they had a company working on it (my guess is an outside company). She can't search the records because there are no records she can search. She said she had "a thousand" requests waiting. It seems the letter that Essex County put out to local PDs said they cannot do any searches until March 10, 2013. They apparently had card catalogs that got damaged in Sandy. So what are they doing? drying out the card catalog? I've heard that the state police have a work-around, but that is second hand. I may try contacting a lawyer just to see, but that might take longer than waiting for Essex County. My concern is come March they say, sorry its another 3 months, 6 months, 3 years? Anyone have recommendations on lawyers that might be good at this sort of thing?

Plode, How did you contact the AG? I think the Essex Country record situation may give some PDs another excuse to slow down the process. I want to be prepared if I feed the need to talk to the AG.

I too am stuck - but at least my local PD called me back to say they are stuck waiting for Essex. I'm just trying to get some PPPs so not the end of the world. I'm just going to shoot what I have and chill as I don't see how complaining it going to get me anywhere this time. Believe me, if there was a chance that complaining would help me (or others) I would but it seems the county really does not have access to the records. I may lob in a call or two after Christmas just to let them know. If anyone does get through to the county and/or our Representative let us know and I'll be more than happy to go visit them.

I went with a Delta Elite (10mm), then got a 40s&w barrel (drop-in but needed a smith to get link right and needed right mag to feed properly), finally got 22lr slide conversion. So now have 1911 that shoots 10mm, 40sw, and 22lr. Pricey but cheaper than 3 guns and did not have to waste purchase permits.

I'm interested in getting better at trap. Have gone around 5 times in the last 3 months and love it, but I'm not getting it. When I do hit the clay I see it working, but when I miss I have no idea why. I'm right handed and left eyed, so I think that's the majority of the problem (at least I hope_. Looking for some lessons in Northern Jersey. I've been going to the trap place in Fairfield - North Jersey Clay Target Club. Have a Beretta Silver Snipe O/U in 12 gauge with 27" barrel that I'd love to start having success hitting with. thanks, Family Man

It will be interesting to see what caliber's are considered acceptable.