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I don’t think it would hold up in court if we actually were heard

I think your misssing my point. I’m on a cell I’ll come back later and post to explain I’ll just leave this here. can NJ require every gun purchased anywhere in the us that is brought into Nj Be registered. For get how would they enforce it, that does not matter. Can they deem any non NJ registered gun illegal to own in NJ only. Not out of the state . No legal issue for out of state dealer. I’m taking strictly about the Nj resident bringing it back to Nj and when he is in NJ.

The issue is not obtaining the gun, its what happens next.... Once you bring it back to NJ then what? You think NJ courts would defend new gun owners?

In all honesty.... I would as well... It sucks but it's a small price to pay in the big scheme of things for Piece of Mind and the ability to NOT be a victim.

Speaking as an FFL I personally do not need this. I do not live on my FFL money. Sure i do well with it but that comes with hard work. I can close up shop tomorrow and have little effect on my lifestyle. I do this 3 hours a day because i like gun people... I like the political debates.... The conversations about nonsense (yesterday's was about American Cheese not being real cheese and proof). I find it enjoyable. I find the people enjoyable.. If my worst fears came true and they turned FFL's in to revenue collectors and make this more of a hassle i would no doubt consider closing shop. I don't want to be the guy who tells someone... You own me $124.44 for state gun transfer taxes on top of the 40.00 nics and transfer. I refuse to become the enemy which is exactly what some of these laws will make me.

It will no doubt get worse before better. BUT the only saving grace will be that they will step over the line and force a constitutional issue that the courts cannot ignore or accept. I drive to NYC every day... It cost a fortune.. I also notice more and more PA plates.. So people are moving BUT still contributing to the left wing in different ways. I just wish people from PA would move the fuck over when they are driving 47 in the fast lane but that's an entirely different thread.

I will guess he along with the majority of people will continue to do what they do.. They will purchase the guns they want... Buy ammo... and Live life. Its just what we do... If nothing else maybe this will be a teaching moment for people. Maybe it will make people become more engaged... Vote.... Donate... Spread the word... Im talking generalities not speaking of Him directly.

There is a breaking point... What that point is no one knows... Is it a 50.00 permit fee? $400.00 non existent carry permit fee or the fact we pay the highest property taxes in the nation... If $15000 - $20000 a year in property taxes on a regular house (not ultra Rich) did not do it will a permit fee be the breaking point... I doubt it. Even with all this we will have a voting block that lazy and uninformed. Just so you know.... Its been many months since the mag limit was signed and we still get people asking "If" the law changed... This is one of the scariest thing you can imagine.... They are so uninformed or Ignorant they dont even know they are felons by default. 1 minute ago, Bowling Ball said: 100%.... those of us who have worked our entire lives to build what we have do not want to see it vanish... The government is very efficient at destroying people over some stupid shit. (General Flynn is a great example), They will use tactics only seen in non free nations to force compliance. Its the main reason law abiding people never Riot, Continue to pay extreme taxes without representation and follow all laws regardless of how we personally feel about them. We even follow laws we know are unconstitutional.

They do it with Handguns.. They can require "registration" of long guns as well... NJ can attempt to make all guns not Registered in NJ illegal hence requiring you to have ALL guns regardless of where you purchased them handled by an FFL or NJSP retail firearms lic holder. What would stop them from requiring the FFL to value that firearm based on MSRP for example and tax it at that point. Im not saying it will happen or if it would even pass court challenge what i'm saying is never doubt what they will do for gun control and money grab. Never ever put it past these people regardless if its constitutional. It seems in NJ the constitution has little meaning since most NJ courts will ignore it and the Supreme Court seems to have little care for the people of NJ... this has been proven time and time again. The left will do anything for the end result.. I think it's "The End Justifies the Means". That statement tells the tale.

Exactly what they want to do. make it more expensive so you don’t want to exercise your rights. This is about making it more expensive for the dealer and the consumer. If 50 is in fact the final number they pass for each permit handgun sales in Nj will plummet as people will get one instead of 2 or 3. I think the goal is 2 parts 1. Make it more expensive to purchase and make it more difficult and expensive to obtain permits and fid cards. 2. Make it more expensive to operate as an FFL while limiting the ability to sell guns and ammunition by making it more expensive for the consumer. While some will find a solution by not buying guns in Nj (as was recommended by the owner of this forum) it’s not a solution for handguns. It will also open up another door for the left to make it illegal to purchase a rifle out of state and transported to NJ. If you think the left will not continue to learn how people will get around these stupid laws think again. Once they are able to limit out of state pickups of firearms they will then go after transfers of firearms into Nj. Can you imagine if they made a tax/fee with sliding scale on out of state purchases based on msrp of the firearm being transferred that the ffl must collect at time or transfer. Their end game is to limit ownership and sales of firearms to Nj residents.

The FFL fee sucks but its not like it will drive anyone out of business unless they were playing ffl and not really running it as a business. thats the least of the problems. The Permit fee's suck since it just add's more cost to the customer. FID increase sucks as well.. i wonder if they will want 100 bucks for a lost card or if you move or is this just the initial?

Why? What additional business would this generate? If you got permits you are already buying... if you have an fid as well... making it more expensive does not drive more people to buy the increase tax would not cause people to run out and buy more guns before it takes place. On a 500.00 gun its $12.50. people in NJ will just get use to it like they do everything else. 12.50 is not going to make someone rush out today to buy something.

Communist Does the $400.00 Carry permits Include retired Leos or are they special this time as well?

If im not mistaken. there was a case maybe DC or Chicago about the cost of permits.. anyone?

It’s not about spark, it’s about the Benjamin’s.

Just rumors

Im going to wear this.

Untrue.. Well untrue in regards to them having liability if someone has something that's not quite NJ legal.

Maks mentioned something about contacting them and a mini event I’m innocent on this one.

Is this an Official NJGF meet with all the privileges that provides Or just couple guys getting together?

So Which Forum App will work with this site? What changed.. It worked with their shitty interface for ages... so do other forums.

Same here... its annoying

Seriously? People should purposely fill range bags with mini dildos covered in KY.

Seems so.... It sucks..... Tapatalk was the main method i replied when on the go. Tapatalk does still work on other forums.. Not sure why it does not work on here.

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