remixer

If the feds or a state wanted to get a registry they would only have to visit every dealer in each state and just scan every single page of every single 4473 the dealer has ever filled out.. Seems like a simple task.

Explain to me how the ATF brought a list of numbers to Pauls Inspection.... why would they... if they cant match to a name... the Nics number only shows a date nics was ran. you can pickup within 30 days... so you think pauls agent brought those with the idea of checking 30 days of records for each number not knowing the name of the person. BTW even without the name it really does not matter... You know that the Federal government can hire about 10 million illegals to search and document every single transaction we have ever done and then create a registry For what purpose.

and?

HOW?

Again... NICS does not know what you bought. The ATF inspector CAN check what you bought.

DUDE thats exactly what NJ Nics has. Name, Date , Number , Status.. If they had the NTN they would need a date and name as well or why bother bringing the NTN numbers... what would they be able to reference to?

That would make sense... The Feds are not going to take the dealers word for an approval.. There has to be a database of numbers. dates and names Read PK's post.... that will end your Nics check theory it CANT lead to a registry because nics DOES NOT KNOW WHAT YOU PURCHASED.

Also do not foget... Such an over reach would cause outrage on all sides.. Getting a judge to issue a warrant for a non criminal to search for something he might have without any prior threat.. calls. hints nothing... I think even the ACLU would take up this case... The ramifications would be far reaching and even dip in to their favorite political side.. IE searching for illegals in a house because the person is Hispanic. etc etc it would open the doors to a nightmare We dont know that.. We only know he passed nics and this deal got him the gun.. that usually happens from a trace request... which takes a few days you start with the manufacture >> distributor >> dealer >> citizen

So explain to me how they know a person passed nics.... Solely based on the dealers Paperwork marking approved..... Without a way to back up the approval with the actual nics system?

That can be done with any state or the feds.... Just think of the man power it would take to preform such a task with every NJ , NY dealer. To create a registry sure it s possible but would be some task... There are lots of things man can do but at what cost and time.. Based on your Scenario... What were they searching for originally? or are you talking a blanket mass registry? We both know that would never hold up in ANY court. the mass search for something someone might have... Come on capt.... I know how you think but this is even a stretch.

Dont blame the Nics operators... Dont blame the dealers... Blame the voters who thought it was a good idea to stay home on election day... 35% turnout is fucking dismal. BTW calling the nics system to complain is fine... Except it will just slow down the nics checks since they are short staffed..

Jun 24, 2013 - The government has already told us that background check records are saved. ... The calls for universal background checks are a deception. The NICS background check system is designed as and fully functional as a record storage system and federal gun registry. << End Ammo Land Statement>> Nics Checks are saved.. The actual gun you purchased are not saved in the nics system (Hand gun or Long gun is noted in the nics check).. only time and date you ran the nics. This is nationwide... How else would the FBI say oh this shooter passed nics without being able to see he ran a nics.... I think Not Saved was a word game... BTW i had an ATF agent from Florida call me and ask me to pull all the records for a certain person... My reply was it does not work like that.. You need to tell me a gun you want looked into and the date i received it. Also dealers with Digital AD books can search by name... I do not use digital books, most NJ ffl's do not use digital books.

You can mail me your mags for pinning

Le exemption for NJ Le only or can Out of state Le also be exempt?

I sorta feel ashamed now Q: Are New Jersey Retail or Wholesale Dealers exempt for possession of large capacity ammunition magazines. A: Yes. A licensed retail or wholesale firearms dealer may possess large capacity ammunition magazines at its licensed premises for sale or disposition to another licensed dealer. "magazines at its licensed premises for sale" For sale to who? That why i wanted confirmation... How do we interpret the law. Ugh

Yup.. Never heard of a small felon

Strange law

That's how i read it..

Its now 10.. But why bother buying new 15's.... If you are considered a felon at that point.. .Go bigger...

lol Why limit to 15? if you going to become a felon dont play games with it... Go Big

99%... i'm waiting for final final confirmation but so far its grace period for existing owned mags.. Not new purchases.

I'm not 100% sure that there is a grace period for F2F... I'm inquiring about that. My thinking... a F2F is a new transaction and usually not covered by grace periods. But i might be wrong.

10 rnd limit is in effect today for NEW mags not owned when asshole signed into law... Existing mags you own are covered by that grace period. Transfers must be done at an FFL with a nics check. F2F transfers are dead. (added Unless they are immediate family) At this point private Citizens cannot access the Nics system.. only dealers can.

No dealer is forced to collect sales tax on a firearm purchased out of state.. its always been the responsablity of the buyer to claim that on his taxes.... same goes for anything purchased online with no sales tax. its not limited to guns.

Correct. Dealers must follow the new rules when it was signed.. the grace period is for those who already own larger then 10 rnd mags.. FYI The grace period does not cover a person who buys 15rnd mags after the date it was signed. Of course they have to prove when you purchased them.. But thats the law. Fantastic Idea (SMH), Expand it and stop buying gas in NJ, Dont pay prop taxes, Food, etc etc.... Boycott NJ Completely. Correct... Grace period is only for mags you already own...