Underdog

Yes, it's for the RRF (RINO relection fund) for horned, Statist, Pachyderms.

My wife wants a Storm in 9mm, too. I just cannot find one.

One model I am considering is a Gamo 1000 Shadow pellet gun. Any experience with it? Another is the GAMO Big Cat.

So, if it is the last day of your renewed permits in NJ and you you have some extra permit pending and you want to purchase a BB/Pellet gun pistol, you can just go to a NJ vendor and purchase one. Since there is no NICS for it, you would not have to wait the 2-5 weeks for the instant check, right? You could walk out the door with it as long as you completed the pistol permit, and then as long as you followed NJ transport laws. Is that right? And, is a BB/Pellet handgun figured in to OGAM as well? If purchased, and since there is no NICS, would a 30 plus waiting period still be applicable? I'm OK with burning a permit to buy one, but I don't want to pass up the chance of having a permit and an open availability if a real handgun that I want becomes available if I would have to wait the calendar time to get something else. And, if I go out to Cabelas, I can purchase either a BB/Pellet long gun rifle and/or handgun with no problem, correct? And, as long as I follow NJs transport rules, etc. when returning, all will be legal? As an additional question, I presume it would be illegal to transport a tube-fed BB gun with BBs still in it, right?

Interested in a spring-action carbine/rifle pellet gun with the ability for a scope and iron sights. Does anybody have any recommendations?

I want one of the all-black versions... 22/45 Black Lite!

There should have been much more support in Sussex County.

What about rifled-barrel shotgun slugs?

So, because you cannot start the process earlier and be ready to take possession on the 30-31 day, then you effectively are utilizing the instant check which is making OGAM a 45-day proposition. Its even more disconcerting if your actual time for the permit runs out because of a two-week plus ridiculous background check.

Pathetic turnout.

Can Glock 19 magazines be used, or do they have to be 17?

Yes, and whoever voted for choice 2 most likely voted 3-4 times anyway, so we did even better!

So the grip safety really isn't an issue, either.

Has anyone seen any of the following in any shops, etc. in northern NJ... S&W M&P 9 S&W M&P 9C Glock 19 GEN4 Beretta 92FS Compact

I know 15-round magazines are made for the compact variety, which is only slightly smaller. Are unmodified 15-round magazines available for the full size PX4 (which is normally 17 I think)? If so, will Beretta swap new 17-rounders out for them?

The only thing I don't like about it is the grip safety. Because of that, I actually prefer the M&P Shield. And, I do not mind the safety on the Shield, as it never gets put on accidentally and to me, it isn't really there.

Bump!

Checkout Traks Gunsmithing in Andover, NJ. It is one of the vendors for the forum. He is located close to Griffon and Howe if Lunker is is interested, as well, on his trip up to my neck of the woods... http://www.traksgunsmithing.com/

And all this time I have been happy with my All-Clad pots. What was my father thinking?

M&P 45 would be my choice, or a new Glock 30S. On a budget! Check out a Stoeger 8045. S&W Governor might be versatile, too, but I cannot say I wouldn't want a 625.

.38/.357 revolver. 38s cheaper than .45ACP. And with ammo shortage, 38/357 although expensive, still available at most stores. Can'tgo wrong with S&W 686 or Ruger GP100 but I prefer Ruger SP101 for versatility. Yes its a 5-shot, but with a full-size grip say Hogue its very nice. Cannot go wrong with a S& W 586 or Ruger "Six"series, either.

Devious and stupid poll. The last choice is meant to split vote of those that would allow children to learn the safe handling of firearms and to split it with requiring supervision, which is the law anyway. A responsible teenager should legally be allowed to defend herself (with proper training) in the absence of her parents. Just as some 50 year olds might not have the maturity, etc. to handle firearms. Agree with djg0770!

Interesting thread... OK. I own a home in PA with my wife. Everything is in her name, though, bills,etc.. I guess I could transfer stuff into my name. Can I apply for a non-driver's license identification card? If so, could I do it by bring tax bill, utilities bill, etc. and marriage license, and could I do it at any PA DMV. Would that ID be enough for a PA FFL to sella handgun to me? If I did this, would it allow me to purchase a handgun when I am in PA? Would I be able to own PA acceptable firearms... AK47, etc. as long as they were kept in PA? And, could I bring NJ legal firearms to NJ and so forth? If I bought a pistol in Pa, could I bring it to NJ, as long as I had all legal PA documentation? Would that be the same as moving into NJ and not having to register, etc.? And, could I get a PA CCW for when I am in PA? Would it have reciprocity with Florida and others as being issued by the state of my residence. I was under the impression when I looked into this once before that you have to declare ONE state as your main residence. And, all applicable gun laws of that state would need to be followed. Hence, I would not be able to buy a handgun out-of-state, unless transferred to an NJ FFL, even though I might be a part-time resident of that other state. Also, I would only be allowed to possess firearms that are legal in my main state of residence.

Any other Spartan's floating around?

Republicans sicken me and are largely paper elephants, too. Democrats in charge aren't' really Democrats, they are statists with an agenda and a bunch of other "ists", too. And the Republican leadership is more like the progressive Democrats of old. The Toad has a point, there is no point in alienating those that put mentally ill people in office, whether Republican or Democrat. We just need to expand (private) mental healthcare programs and give our officials and some of their supporters free access. Yes, we need to unite the American people. I think we all need to understand why the more conservative, especially those constitutional conservatives, why they get angry and post things that might jiggle the nerves of the "centrists". I suppose many are frustrated because of their awareness of the utter folly, the abusive and one-sided government appendage media,and because of the personal attacks, especially from the Left that won't expound on its true agenda, but rather uses a united system of personal attacks to quiet those that disagree. Throw in the inability for the Left to compromise (conservatives always do... such as we are already down to 15-round magazines), and take into account the the daily loss of freedoms and a continuously hijacked Republican base and you can understand the frustration by these conservatives. And, the conservatives are daily barraged with hypocritical liberal-double talk and painting them as gun-toting, religious fascist zealots . Oh,and I didn't even mention the divisiveness put forth by the loving liberal base to split apart every element of our society and find a scapegoat if a rich conservative isn't around. Those poor white rich marginalized Christian males, and oh, yes, the evil wealthy that walk amongst us. And, with all of that, consider that the American economy and dollar (and our children's futures) are systematically being thrown to the bay of pigs, and well, you get a certain amount of frustration that has to come out somehow in a peaceful and conservative way. I think the real issues are the continuous abuse of power and the lack of accountability to the people, the hidden agenda which the sheeple don't understand, and the continuous assault on the Constitution which would place limits on their (the government's) power. And. of course spending other people's money, Yes, there could be a certain amount of anger directed at our largely one-party system of mentally ill individuals. Compassionately, though, we will most likely foot the bill for their treatment and attempt to educate them that personal property, personal accountability are important concepts, and that too much power ALWAYS corrupts (check out Cuomo and Bloomberg for example, or perhaps Holder and Obama). So, the next time you find yourself face to face with slightly miffed American Citizen (most are still conservative) give him or her a break and a little understanding. Even with all of the anger that the real centrists (right-leaning) could justifiably have, there seems to be more need for the Left to attend subsidized anger-management classes and find additional mental health care treatment.