Underdog

I think my liberal whack-job brother needs an NRA sticker tacked over Hope and Change when he's not looking on his Saturn. I guess I can understand their feelings, though. Because every time I see a Hope and Change sticker, or Obama/Biden, I have to see who's in the car to see what idiots look like. And, when I see kids in the car, I feel sorry for them... Not angry, or anything. Just trying to identify mentally ill people. I think a fellow passenger heard me say under my breath one day, "So that's what a Moron looks like".

Maybe NJ should pass another gun law making it illegal for Gang Members to get FID cards and possess guns. Then it wouldn't have happened. She was probably one of the ant-gun protestors returning from the Capital Building.

Save up more and get a used Glock 9mm, or look for a used Bersa 9mm.

Ruger Speed Six in 9mm is awesome.

Handguns... I really want a pair of non-existent (semi-compact) Glock 19-sized S&W M&P COREs in 9mm w/ Apex triggers. S&W M&P 40 and 45C with Apex triggers Glock 17 w/ grip chop/reduction. Longer sight radius, more ergonomic, and can use G19 mags. SIG P226 Enhanced Elite. I like the more ergonomic setup and the Elite additions, and couple it with a 22 conversion slide! Beaver tale, shorter grip, shorter reset trigger, night sights. Colt 1911 Rail Gun Baby Eagle II Compact steel variety with 3.63" barrel. Colt Woodsman, 2nd Series. Ruger 22/45 Lite, most versatile modern .22LR. Revolvers: S&W Model 60, would be first choice for concealed carry revolver S&W Model 325 Thunder Ranch, neat, relatively light, and easy to shoot Ruger SP101 Long guns: Marlin 39A lever action in .22LR... want a lever action .22LR, so why not get the best? Savage 10 FCM Scout Rifles in 7.62x39 and .308 ... light, fun, accurate with forward optics. WW2 M1 Garand... just having something in .30/06 caliber, extremely accurate, and a piece of history, as well Shotguns: Mossberg 590A1 Mossberg 500 w/ security barrel in 20 ga. A nice AR-15 that I built made for accuracy A nice AR-15 that I built made for close quarters Rifle Dynamics custom AK-47, not for NJ, though.

And, with it being included with your driver's license... If you don't comply in some fashion, they will figure out a way to revoke and/or suspend your driver's license until you comply. And, when you go to the doctor's offices with the online records, your driver's license will be read and the federal government will have it registry. Unintended consequences, yeah right. Most of the idiots voting on it won't get it, or care, but the ones orchestrating it know exactly what they are doing. Do you think with an "instant" DL background check, etc. they will get rid of the archaic and BS permit system?

Absolutely. The intentions are not to make our state safer, but to $crew those that support the Second Amendment, hinder sales, and harm that segment of our economy. I am sure police cars will be outfitted to be able to sell them.

What I don't understand is if volume is double or even triple, then why isn't it taking two to three times as long, or 2-3 days?

Well, if they pass the bill with the big A on your driver's license, when you are hired from now on, and if you show your driver's license, your boss will know anyway. And, every time you cash a check the teller will know, if you need your driver's license. Yes, we must punish all free people. Round Em Up! And, mark them as undesireable.

Why is this so confusing? I know about OGAM. I believe a NICS check is valid for 30 days after some arbitrary date. My question really just related to when that arbitrary NICS date started. PK hinted that it is the day you fill out forms and the gun shop initiates the background check, which is now via fax. If that is so, then all of this is irrelevant. If the 30 days that the NICS blanket started was the day that the gun store received back the OK from NICs THEN, I would be able to get the private handgun, wait the 30 days (which would be before NICs notified the gun shop) and then use the same NICS from the first gun to pickup the first gun after the 30 days. I was wondering if the additional time the state built into the system, if that would enable me to do just that. But, I am sure that is not the case. I will have to wait until NICS additional time is over. Pickup the firearm at the shop, and then wait 30 days to pickup the private sale. I cannot in effect shorten that time by using the wait time and the time the nics would be valid to shorten that time some, and to not leave the private seller on hold without missing the window and not picking up the gun within 30 days and then having to have another NICS done at the shop and a resulting time of at least another two weeks built into it.

I didn't mean to confuse you. Timeline... Went to dealer and put money down on a gun, filled out forms, and I am waiting for NICS. 10 days later, NICS is not back yet. Want to buy another handgun from private seller. If I do, then I will be past 30 day NICS window to pickup gun sitting at dealer, correct? Unless, the 30 days starts once the dealer is notified. Then, I would be in the clear and could pickup the private sale and 30 days from that (which would still be within the dealers 30 days) I could then go and get the other gun at the dealer. This probably has never come up before because it is suppose to be "instantanous". Otherwise, if I pickup the private sale, now. I will have to wait 30 days to do another background check, and then will have to pay for it again at the dealer. Then I will have to wait the additional 2 weeks to get the 2nd handgun. What will have to happen is I will have to wait until the NICS comes back. Pick it up and then wait 31 days to pickup the 2nd handgun. I won't be charged two NICS checks and it will be the shortest time to get both, unless I could do it the other way I hinted at.

When you sign the form 4473 that the form you filled out the day that you initially agreed to purchase and NICS was faxed in? Or is that form a form you sign on the day when you pick up the gun? Is that NICS check good for 30 days ONLY for that item and at that dealer?

I have been trying to get in touch with the NICS Unit with the state police, and the phone rings and rings and rings. I have question. I have been told that your NICS check is good for 30 days. I assume that that gives you a thirty day window to get back to the dealer to pickup your gun after you have been notified. But, does that mean that if you buy a handgun and then a week later, you want to by rifle, or have one transferred to the same dealer in which you just bought the handgun, that you would not have to have another check done and pay the fee, even though you were within the window? I assume that window is only for one gun, and that you would have to have another NICS check done a week later. But on to my real question... Now, lets say you purchased a handgun and you were about a week into the current two week window. You submitted paperwork and the dealer faxed in the NICS check. Is it good and can you pick it up wtihin 30 days of when the original check was faxed, or does the 30 days start once the dealer is notified (which is not instantaneous anymore). The reason I am asking is because I would like to do a private sale before the NICS check comes back. And, then wait the proscribed 30 days to do the additional transfer at the dealer for the second handgun, but I don't want to pay for another NICS fee, AND, I don't want my NICS check to have to start after the 30 day application period for the one I am currently picking up from a private sale and then have to wait another two weeks for the nicks to come back, etc. I assume that the 30 day window is when it is faxed in, and not when the check is called back in to the dealer. I am assuming that a dealer would be on the up and up and tell you when it had been confirmed. Because if a dealer gets a lot in at once, maybe they won't bother to call you right away so as not to be overwhelmed all at once, or to call when it is convenient, etc.. Again, what I would like to do is buy something private, before the NICS check comes back, and then have a very slim window (due to OGAM) in which I could therefore pick up the firearm with the NICS check still being valid at the gun store. I could not reach anyone at the State Police that would answer my question. The best I got was that I could have my dealer call NICS on the actual day of the transfer. And, that wouldn't work. Say I am on Day 10 of a 14 day wait. If I got the private sale now and was contacted 3 days from now, then I would have a 2-3 day window, supposedly of when the background was still good, in which I could pickup the gun at the dealer in about 32 days... Any thoughts? I imagine that what happens is that the 30 days starts the day your "instant" background check was faxed in. So that, in reality under the current system, you only have about 2 weeks to pick it up, so with OGAM, there would be no way around paying for a 2nd NICS check, unless you picked up the gun from the dealer first, and you would be at the mercy of when the State Police got back to you on the first as to when OGAM actually started. I assume nothing is in my favor, but I thought I would ask. And, if you are dealer, is there a way to "show" your customer exactly the date when you were notified as to the approval. If I requested it from my dealer would he show me, and or prove to me in some way when he was in fact notified?

They called mine and there was a fee to them for just providing acknowledgement that I was currently an employee. The nice officer in my town called me and told me. He then asked if he could call another employee who would verify my employment. Which he did. When unemployed. you just have to write unemployed. I don't know what is done in that case. But, you certainly don't want to write that if you are employed. By the way, do they identify the reason for contacting the employer?

I would suggest you put down 5 pistol permits and pay the extra fees. If you get something, you might decide that you don't like it and with renewals, you would have time and ability to "trade" it. If it is your first time, you will need to make an appointment to go somewhere and get your fingerprints taken. I don't know how that is paid, but, I don't believe you pay the police station anything at the time of application. Just the place with the fingerprints. When picking up your permit, though, you will need to pay $5.00 for your permit and have the one fingerprint done on it when picking it up. You would also have to pay $2.00 for each permit. If I recall, you pay the place around $60 for fingerprinting, background check, etc. And, when completing forms, do not sign mental health form. You will need to sign in presence of police department personnel. I don't remember, but you will probably need to have copies of your license and birth certificate when applying and you will need to have the name, address, and phone number of two non-relative references when submitting the application. Additionally, you will need to have an address and contact information for your work.

You should call them beforehand to make sure you have all documentation.

So, the exorbitant rate of $200 is the going rate? And, to only have PA say, oh, well, we are not accepting Utah, anymore, either.

Why don't they come out with smart body armor, so I can wear that, too. Only non-felons can put it on. Or maybe a little chip that sterilizes felons so that they cannot have violent offsprings, and little repeat offenders.

For 22s....go to Home Depot and get #4-6x7/8 in. yellow ribbed plastic anchors. You can get a box of 100 for like $3.00. They work great and usually can even be cycled.

I wish they would come out with extended 10-round (or more) magazines for when reloading the Shield, and, I think they would have a seller with a Shield variation... I wish they would come out with a long-slide Shield... say with a 4-4.2" barrel and the same grip configuration and a slightly longer site radius. It would be also nice to have a new base plate with a finger rest on it, something like a Pearce base plate for a little more options... Lastly, I wish S&W would come out with a Shield .22LR that was as reliable as a Ruger SR22.

Is there some place you can pick up the fingerprinting cards? Do you have to get "certified" from a Utah-approved instructor, or do you qualify with an NRA course?

No, but plenty who have them will be felons.

Now lets have a history quiz.

Needs a grip sleeve, grip tape, or something. I like the positive trigger reset, the sights and sight distance, but the spring in trigger pulls the front off a little. Either something off a little when pulling the trigger, or not broken in enough, yet, with about 400 rounds through it.

The owner and his business associate have proven time and again that they are not the most friendly types at the gun store. I'm sure it hurts the bottom line. However, his wife is very and helpful, though. Prices are a little on the high side for transfers, guns, etc. and a premium "hidden" shipping fee is added to all new firearms. I will say that the owner is a patriot, though.