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My quick answer (if only two)... AR-15 in 5.56 w/ extra .22LR, 9mm, and 7.62x39 uppers. Glock 23 w/ 9mm conversion barrel, .357 SIG conversion barrel, and AA .22LR conversion kit with TFO sights and plenty of assorted magazines, including G17 and G22 magazines. I would still miss something for longer distances, though, such as a Remington 700, or preferably a Smith Industries custom M1A, or even a SA Scout Squad and a dedicated .22LR rifle would be missed as well, as well as a 12 gauge.

I would like to try thin, rubber panels of some kind, or aluminum ones w/ grip tape.

What grips do you use and/or like on your CZ?

I have a "portable" mini safe that I can carry from room to room and it gives me quick access to a loaded gun. It is a little box with a keypad and it has a handle and I can open in the dark. Toying with the idea of making it blend in in some fashion... flowers, sports backpack (red, white and blue) w/ dirty sneakers tied to it, etc? And, I want to make sure it contents don't rattle around too much. As talked about earlier, it does not have a prize possession in it, but a utilitarian tool that doesn't mind some scratches, etc. With children, that is much more preferred than carrying a holstered weapon. If I lived alone, I would still use it and have a few pump shotguns around, as you can get quite a few for the price of a quality handgun.

And, whether or not our peace officers know the law... that's open for discussion, too. A low profile is best.

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Thank you, Sir, for the smooth trade.

You could be right, I did say possibility. So, you are saying indirectly that the US is not the center of the universe? I will have to adjust my bald-eagle type thinking.

I would think that there is a possibility that the US anti-gun crowd had something to do with this. The US is probably one of the biggest markets, and with the shipments being constantly held up, etc. maybe over time, those lack of sales harmed the company. By the way, didn't Obama talk to the ambassador recently. Maybe the Saigas were brought up... Something along the lines of... "I'll get rid of a few more missiles if you help me get reelected and if you stop importing AKs. I'm tired of being the best gun salesman in history." Reagan brings down the Berlin Wall and Obama brings down Izhmash. Or, maybe sheet metal became too expensive. .

Primarily you want to win the fight if you are in a gunfight. However, unless you are holding up in one room, it is difficult to maneuver with a long gun and there is a greater chance it could be taken away from you, etc. Also, there is greater chance of over penetration with a rifle, slugs, etc.. From a purely firepower standpoint, of course a shotgun is better. And, I recommend having both at the ready.

I completely agree, but sometimes you cannot just stay held up in a room. You may have other family members in other rooms, etc. It certainly would be the most sensible to be with the whole family in a safe room. You are better off then risking a gunfight. You have more time to prepare and find cover. You have time to call for help. You have less chance of risking the legal crap from defending yourself.

Anybody wanna buy some 30-round Magazines for your Glock 21? I own property in PA and since I am an NJ resident, I believe I cannot legally have hi-cap magazines if I keep them in PA. (I don't have any illegal hi-cap Glock magazines, by the way.) .

I think my father told me when I was a boy that many long guns are dangerous if you bang them on something, hard, when carrying, etc. He told me it wasn't a good idea to climb a tree with one or leave one propped up against something. He also told me to be careful of the older single-action revolvers and do not carry one with a round in the chamber, and he also told me that a gun with a loaded round in the chamber will fire in a fire. I wonder where this guy's father was? .

Even with a solid shot, someone can move about for up to 14 seconds afterward. A lot can happen during that time, including using a knife or getting some shots off of his or her own. Still, I doubt anyone is going to proceed with a solid blast of 00 at close range.

I agree that you shouldn't skimp on quality. You need a dependable gun that you can shoot accurately and quickly. That said, I see no reason to risk losing something I am really fond of when a $400 used Glock that is ultra-reliable will work, and work well. There are a lot of considerations... What can you afford (HiPoints? SIGs, Kimbers, etc.) What else do you have? (If all you only have is the one gun, it would be better to have (2) $400 used Glocks than a $900 SIG. If you have (3) higher end 1911s, then choose one if that is what you want to use for defense. Don't go more expensive than a $450 gun without having a backup. Again, there really isn't anything that a $500 Glock cannot do, and there really isn't anything that is more dependable. For most people, I imagine a handgun would make the most sense for home defense, and in NJ, you would want one that could maximize the 15-round potential... Glock 19, Glock 23 w/ Glock 22 magazines, Beretta 92 w/ 15-rounders, CZ w/ 15 rounders, Stoeger Cougar w/ 15-rounders, etc. Additionally, you should give a thought to using something, no matter what the cost, if it could be replaced. I would rather use that Glock or a more expensive SIG that could be replaced at a gun store than my Grandfather's .38 special or 1911 (too bad my Grandpa didn't have one) or a rare S&W 9mm revolver. Still, I would have to have the utmost confidence in the dependability of the weapon, the ammo in it, and my ability to use them. If you shoot a Glock 21 like cr@p, then by all means, use the custom Kimber or Springfield Armory 1911. Also, you should consider the gun. Can you use it well? Can you choose one you use well that will lessen the legal jeopardy that you would be in if you had to use it? If you use a stock gun, but one that is more expensive, then the "cost" of using it is really insignificant to your legal fees, and you might as well go down the winner using it as long as it is a good shoot. If say, you have a Glock and you modify it with a 3.5 lb. trigger, then you are opening yourself up to more legal woes, when you might get a Target gun that has a 3.5 lb trigger. The same with hollow point ammunition. You can use it in your gun for home defense in NJ, but since it is essentially illegal to have, use something that is pretty good, but that is not hollow point... Federal Guard Dog, Speer Gold Dot, etc. And, a target gun might be more accurate, but it might open you up to more problems if it has a light trigger and it accidentally goes off when your adrenalin is pumping. It all has to come together. The gun I use primarily for home defense I shoot just fine, but it is not my favorite gun that I happen to shoot just a little bit better. But that ugly, brick-like defensive gun has a twin and for me, that is significant. And, when I go to the range, I always make sure to give my defensive gun some range time. This would go with a carry gun as well. I would choose one that was dependable, first, then choose one that is durable and that I could handle well. The price would be an afterthought, but it would not be unimportant, unless I had unlimited funds. I think that if your handgun is taken for an investigation, and you have not been charged, that you should immediately be issued a valid pistol permit, to replace it. .

Classic Arms in NC? has Saiga .223 in 16" Saiga 7.62 in 20" for $369. Saiga 12s are available... as well, for $799.

Actually, after rereading this thread because my cousin is also considering a handgun and she asked me my opinion, I would agree with IPW and look into a CZ 75B or 85B variety in 9mm for your first gun. It's fun to shoot and it has little recoil. The all-steel construction and weight will be beneficial (and nice). 9mm is an adequate defensive round and is the cheapest center-fire handgun cartridge out there. The ergonomics of the CZ are superb. The pricier stainless version in matte finish would be nice! All and all, it would be a good value. I think it would be a better choice than a revolver. And, you can get the .22 conversion kit for it to have two guns in one. And, there are varieties... the single action/double action model, the single action only model, the model with the decocker, the 85 w/ ambidextrous safety.. I would certainly consider one if you can locate one. .

I just signed up for the free ArmsCare Insurance provided as an NRA benefit for members. Has anybody used this or had any experience with it, or some other product along these lines? For me, the complimentary $2500 policy would really be all I would need (for now) as it seems to be a nice compliment to my somewhat lacking homeowner's policy. .

There really isn't any value to this unless it is much lighter, at least as dependable, and easier to break down and clean. How does it break down?

Maybe they would have been more effective with SWAT gear. In my mind, this is NOT similar to the events in Florida. But, the attempt to stir up race hatred is certainly similar. Also, why not divide the citizen from the "peace" officer. I don't want to jump to conclusions, as the reporting is probably not accurate and there is probably more to the story and an agenda, but with what I understand, as soon as these rogue officers turned off the camera, they incriminated themselves. This is an odd story, and based on the limited details, I wonder if the older gentleman was trying to end his life, and I wonder if he was armed. .

In respect for RM and his value as a public servant. I had the pleasure of meeting him...

The future of firearms? http://www.dailymail...ous-system.html .

This book on emergency medicine has piqued my curiosity: http://www.humaneven...le.php?id=50666 .

This looks more interesting than the SR22. It would be neat if a small sized one could be engineered: http://campaign.r20....czI9_-s_Q%3D%3D I might have to get one of these for my kids, but I wouldn't trade it in for an all-steel Mark III. With all of these new products released, It seems like Ruger wants to remain the go-to gun in .22LR, but maybe the Mark IIIs are too costly for them to keep producing. I like those Hogue grips. I wonder if I can get one with a dark green or blue top? .

It seems nice, but I would probably prefer a Ruger SR9C. http://www.shootingt...sson-mp-shield/