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What single shot .22 bolt rifles were most common in the late 80's, early 90's?

Found a picture, but it looks recent. I know the new range deck/roof/building was built in 2010, but it's a start. I was hoping to find out what type was shot there in the late 80's early 90's. Can anyone ID these rifles?

I'm an ex Boy Scout and I was discussing the rifle merit badge with some friends at the range the other day. I recall (around 1990-1992) taking the class at Forestburg Scout Reservation in NY, and it was my earliest memory of firing a firearm and taught me the fundamentals of safe shooting. I clearly remember shooting a single shot bolt action rifle chambered in .22 short I believe. I'm trying to figure out what make or model rifles these were? Are there any former boy scouts or scout leaders out there that can remember what kind of rifles these were? Anyone have any pictures of the rifle range with possibly a rifle in it? I'd love to purchase one for nostalgia sake!

Just an update on the permits I dropped off to be renewed. I dropped them off on Thursday the 15th, was told it would be a few days and they'll call. They called Tuesday and said they're ready, but I didn't play the message until Friday morning (they usually send a letter, not call). I picked them up later on Friday and saw they were renewed on the 15th (the same day I dropped them off) but I didn't get a call until Tuesday the 20th. This is typical as when I originally pick them up, they are dated for a few days before then. I guess they do the permits and 'issue them' on a certain date, and on the same day mail out a letter to tell me they're ready, and by the time I get there to pick them up, roughly a week has been wasted on them. I guess I shouldn't complain too much, as they're usually pretty good on issuing them (about 4-5 weeks usually). So, they were essentially renewed 112 days after the original issue date. I absolutely know it can only be used 180 days from the original issue date, and in fact I don't have anything in particular in mind to purchase, but it's nice to have a clean permit ready if i come across anything.

I dropped them off on Friday, she said it takes a couple days to renew and "we'll call you when they're ready". I've renewed permits quite a few times before, so I'm hoping I get a call (unlikely, as they usually send a letter telling me they're ready, and I go pick them up with no issues. One time I bought a pistol with one permit, and knew I couldn't buy another for 30 days and noticed my next permit would expire before then. I tried to drop it off to get renewed and was told that it wasn't close enough to the expiration date, and to come back with it in a week or two. What's the difference if they renew a week or two later? It's still 180 consecutive days from the original issue date. I'll update this post when I get word, either way.

I'm wondering if I can renew a permit after the initial 90 days has expired? I received a couple permits on June 29th, so they expired on September 26th (if I counted correctly). They've been expired for almost 3 weeks now, and I just realized this. Is it possible to still have them extended for another 90 days? Obviously they would have to go by the original issue date and only extend them until the 180 consecutive days from the June 29th date. Is this possible now that they've lapsed from the first 90 days?

What should I be looking for internally on these? What guy in Manchester, and can he do?

I came across a police trade in Sig 228 today, and loved the feel of it in my hand. It had plenty of holster wear, and has obviously had plenty of rounds down the pipe, but looked pretty decent down the tube. Exterior was about 70% with the holster wear. Came with three 13 round (I think) 'Law Enforcement/ Government Use Only' marked mags and original Sig plastic case. I didn't get a chance to look at the date code on it, but it was certainly made in Germany, so does that make it pre-94? I'm wondering how hard it is to come across these, as I can't find any originals for sale anywhere. I've seen the M11 for sale, but not original made in Germany police trade ins. I like having the police connection, as I'm a collector of US marked military weapons, but am unsure if the wear on it is enough to turn me away. What would something like this be worth on the market?

My friend (a North Carolina resident) is coming up this month and we would like to swap rifles. He was going to drive his into NJ, and we were planning on doing the transfer at my FFL to cover the incoming rifle being tranferred via FFL into my possession. How should we handle the other side? Can I just fill out a COE for both of us and let him drive the outgoing rifle back into NC? Or does it need to go (shipped) to a NC FFL?

I'm wondering what the process entails to swap/trade a rifle with my friend who lives in North Carolina? Basically, we want to swap 2 NJ legal rifles. I'm certain the incoming rifle must go through my FFL for me to accept, but does he need to ship it directly from an FFL in North Carolina or can he just send it through UPS or FedEx himself? On my end, do I need to ship the outbound rifle from my FFL, or can I ship it directly to him? He has had rifles shipped directly to his doorstep from other out of state gun shops previously. Or, can he drive it in next month, and we do the transfer at my NJ FFL when we are both present, then drive his back home with him?

Wow, that's early, are all if the vendors set up by then?

I see there is a show at the Philly National Guard Armory this weekend, says it's 400 tables. Anyone ever make it to this one? Worth making the trip? I've been to the really big show at the Philly Expo Center in Pheonixville a couple years ago (massive), and went to the Warminster, Pa show last year. They said the Warminster show that's in the Sports complex was like 700 tables and I was shocked how small it really was compared to the Expo center show. Is this National Guard show super small? Worth the trip?

Still 8-12 Sunday, right Dave? Might swing by, also toying with the idea of hitting the Philly show this weekend.

Anyone have any contact info for either Pat or Leroy....phone or email? PM me possibly?

Looking for a true 1863 Springfield that has seen Civil War duty. I'm wondering what to look for as far as condition and problem areas? I'm sure there are reproductions out there that have been made to look like originals, so what should I be looking for to spot a fake? Where are the best places to find one? Any trusted websites specialize in these? I'll be on the lookout at shows and private sales from word of mouth, but was looking for some tips from others.

As of yesterday, the target has disappeared, so I'm going to sit tight and hopefully we don't have another incident. If I see them shooting back there, or find another arrow in my yard, the police will be called immediately. I visited with code enforcement Tuesday, who sent me back up to the police department. PD couldn't find anything that prohibits it, but said that is certainly unacceptable. Code also suggested that I attend a town council meeting and speak to the council about changing the law, as that should not be OK to do with these smaller lot sizes. I don't want to get that into this, he removed the target, so I'm ok for right now. But if another incident does occur, the gloves are off and the cops will be there immediately and I will be at the next town meeting bringing this to the next level. If most of the surrounding towns have a law prohibiting bows, why doesn't brick? Regardless, I'm in a holding pattern, hopefully for good.

I stopped by the police department this morning on my way to work just to ask what exactly the town law is. I explained the situation to the sergeant and he said he didn't know off hand and had to look it up. After 15 minutes of him looking through the computer and some books he had, he said nothing really states that a bow is a firearm, but regardless what he's doing is clearly negligent, and anything can be considered a weapon if used in a manner like that. He asked if I wanted them to go by and speak to him, and I declined, telling him I spoke to him already and I think/hope I made my point clear. He again asked if I wanted them to document this, and I avoided that as well. I showed him the picture of the arrow under the swingset and he agreed that was unacceptable. He again asked me what street I lived on, and I reluctantly told him the neighborhood I lived in and left it at that. He suggested that I follow up with code enforcement on Monday to get a clearer answer on if it does in fact fall under the 'no discharge law' or any other statute. I told him I'd be calling the police if I find one more arrow in my yard or if I see him shooting it at all back there. As of Sunday morning, the black target is still in his yard, but laying face down in the grass not far from where it is in that picture of his backyard. I was really hoping that he would of made it disappear after our conversation, but apparently he really is a dick and doesn't care. Fortunately for him, I work 60-70 hours a week with 4-5 doubles mixed in and I'm not home that much to monitor his activities back there, so the chances of me catching someone shooting in the act is slim. Unfortunately for me, I've been pretty stressed about the situation and ultimately the tension I now feel with him. I can't jeopardize my family's safety though, so it looks like I'll be digging in for a long battle with this clown. The way he's acting, I can expect him to be calling the cops on me at the drop of a dime now, for noise complaints when I'm working on my race car or hot rods in the garage with the air compressor and air gun running, or adjusting the carbs and revving the motor some. My detached garage is just to the left in these photos and sits in the back corner of the property, so it's close to his backyard.

This is looking through the swingset at my house where the arrow landed and stuck pretty deep into the ground. It's easily 40 feet from the fence. These are the other two arrows I found near the fence that I'm assuming skipped under the fence. Note the big bad 'dangerous' hood leaning on the fence post. This is looking over the fence into his yard where he (or the kid) must have moved the target after he lost the arrows into my yard

This is a picture of the arrow stuck in the ground at an angle, as I found it, under the swingset. The fence in question is in the picture, and that's the direction the arrows came over the fence. To put in perspective of how far away the swingset is from the fence, that shed is 18 feet long.

Spoke to the neighbor early this morning, and he wasn't as helpful in the situation as I'd like, but we'll see what happens. Basically I showed him the pictures of the arrows stuck in the ground under the swingset and in the grass near the fence and he told me it was his 13 year old son who did it unsupervised once and that's when it happened, and that his son HAD told him about the missing arrows landing in my yard but he didn't retrieve them because he didn't want to go into my yard. Said it wasn't a big deal so he figured I would just throw them back over the fence into his yard like I do when kids lose the balls over the fence. He downplayed it and told me it was a $20 kids set he bought at Walmart, so it would be safe if they sold it 'at Walmart'. He told me that it doesn't go that far because it's a cheap kids set, but it obviously went pretty far if it landed at least 35 feet into my yard and stuck into the ground under the swingset. I informed him about the 'no discharge law' that may be in effect for this town and told him that these were not cheap kids target arrows in which he told me they were $1.99 arrows they bought because the other ones broke. He then started to get a little on the offensive and asked me to move the car hood (an extra for my father's hot rod) that was leaning on the fence because that 'was unsafe for his kids when they ride their power wheels' (the hood in question is leaning on the sturdy post of the fence that I own). I told him that has nothing to do with a weapon being shot in his backyard and endangering my family, but I'll gladly go move it, which I did as soon as I got home. I couldn't believe he was trying to turn something around on me, telling me that the fence isn't in great shape (which it certainly isn't perfect) and is unsafe for his kids (well shooting arrows at it doesn't help it dummy) At this point I paused and nearly walked off his porch and straight to the police department, but I tried to keep my cool and not blow this up into a neighborhood war. At this point his wife chimed in and tried to back peddle, saying that what he was trying to say was that it won't happen again and that I didn't need to go that far into the details. They asked where the arrows are and I gave them 2 of the 3 back and showed them that these were not 'kids' arrows and in fact are 31" carbon hunting arrows for an adult's arm span in the full draw position that could easily make my child a statistic. He then started in on the fence again, and that I need to replace it, and would offer his help in replacing it (reluctantly). So I left it at that, I told him that I didn't want to have a problem with a neighbor, and that's why I wanted to speak to him as a gentleman and a father first, and not get the cops involved. So we'll see what happens. I still have one arrow, all the pictures, and actually recorded our conversation so I think I covered all of the bases if this heads to the next level which I'm hoping it doesn't. I gave him the copies of the pictures I took, and my cell phone number so if there's any other problems (like the super dangerous car hood leaning on the fence post), that he can contact me about it.

Also, I did take photos of everything, including the target in his backyard from over my fence.

I went by this morning, no new cars in driveway and I had my 18 month old son in the truck so I didn't stop. I'll be on his porch early tomorrow morning for sure. I was going to leave a note, but I want this to be a face to face conversation and didn't want to tip him off.

I appreciate the comments gentlemen, I'll keep you posted on what happens.

Unfortunatly for me, I work a 16 hour double tomorrow and won't be home all day, but I'll give it a try around 7:30 am, or should I let it roll until Saturday morning?

That's how I read that as well, but it can't be legal to do it, right?