Rob0115

+1.

I just hung up with the NJSP firearms investigation unit. They said a D/L is not required but any government issued ID with a photo, DOB and address is acceptable, a passport was the example. They said they can't force an FFL to sell the gun if you don't have a D/L but that's a business practice and not the law. I was also told that my out of state drivers license is acceptable if I have an NJ FID and in fact make residence at the address on the FID. There is no D/L requirement on NICS according to the NJSP FIU and I know that because I've seen the NICS computer screen and there is no * next to the field that asks for D/L. The only reason you need photo ID is to prove who you are and not where you live. If you qualified for an NJ FID it doesn't matter that your alternate form of ID has a different address. It is however not acceptable to have an FID with an address where you do not live. Form 4473 explicitly addresses multi-state residents in the explanation of 20(b). They are eligible to buy firearms in any state where they have residence. Like most things these details are little understood even by the people that are selling guns. I think some of it is fear based on retailing guns in NJ and the onerous laws. However, I've seen people be told that they have to have a D/L that matches the address on the FID and that is just not true. The address on the FID does have to be a place where you reside but your form of personal ID need not match it. I'd suggest that the best way to get to the bottom of things is to call the authority in the state that you reside where you wish to acquire firearms. I have spoken to the NJSP for NJ address and the Florida Division of Agriculture for my Florida address. They both agreed that my interpretation of form 4473 is correct and that my D/L can be from any state as long as I have an acceptable form of proof that I have residence in the state that I am purchasing in.

Check your systems, DL is not required. Only those with a red asterisk next to them, DL does not.

I have one and love it. Very controllable and smooth. If you're nearby I'm at WP range a lot when I'm in town. You can try mine before I pack it for Florida. It's going to be one of my CCW guns.

One last item on the 4473. It appears you do not need to use a drivers license along with your FID. if you look at the explanation of question 20b it says you can use something other than a drivers license. It gives the example of a multi state resident again the explanation. I am assuming a passport because it has a photo, address, dob and is government issued would suffice. Any thoughts on that?

Good deal.

I wouldn't do it.

I don't think anyone was disputing that. OP may live in PA which doesn't rebate.

Big L on the side.

$17 in a nice place.

Very nice. I used the same stock on my 6mmAR build. Which Leupold is that?

I asked because he lists both NJ and PA as locations. I don't know which is home. I don't know if he lives in NJ and works in PA or the other way around. I would also never pay taxes in two states, it won't overcome the increase in salary and the cost of commuting nevermind the pain of commuting.

I've commuted from NJ to NYC for 27 years. Now I commute from Florida on Monday morning to Thursday night. I would never, ever, ever commute from PA to NYC. It is way worse than anyone could imagine. I worked with a guy that did it from the Poconos, in a word intolerably miserable.

Why would you pay PA taxes? You can only live in one state as far as residency. NJ is net of NY and since NJ at certain income levels is higher you will pay a bit more to NJ on top of your NY taxes. Which state is your residence e.g. where do you vote? In NYC there is also NYC city tax 3.86% that awesome Bill D wants to raise to 4.41% (asshole). Then there is the cost of the commute and some value to your time. However, it can't just be about now. If you are early in your career where do you have the best long term prospects for pay / promotion?

I know you know this but I feel like I have to say it. Make sure any firearm you plan to return to your primary residence with is NJ compliant.

Bullet hole is has stuff. They used to have quite a lot till the last crunch. Not sure what they have now. Seems like reloading supplies are harder than ammo now.

I sent some dough. I hope he can save his dog.

Believe me I won't be looking to acquire any more neutered firearms in NJ. I'll only be coming back to visit family once I sell my house.

Florida banned multiple licenses in 2010. I spoke to someone at the tax office and he explained it to me. I'm changing mine when I go back down next week. I just haven't had time. Btw, my house is for sale and really nice if anyone wants it

Two different FFL's in the area gave me the same response and referred my to ATF form 4473 page 5 for the explanation. One of the two sold me guns. I established my identity with NJ government issued drivers license and I established that I in fact resided in FL with my tax bill (which he didn't seem to care to much about). I provided my FL address for the NICS check and on form 4473 in accordance with the instructions on page 5 middle of the page. Here is the exact text cut and paste: Question 13. State of Residence: The State in which an individual resides. An individual resides in a State if he or she is present in a State with the intention of making a home in that State. If an individual is a member of the Armed Forces on active duty, his or her State of residence also is the State in which his or her permanent duty station is located. If you are a U.S. citizen with two States of residence, you should list your current residence address in response to question 2 (e.g., if you are buying a firearm while staying at your weekend home in State X, you should list your address in State X in response to question 2.) I don't see the confusion--I live in two places. When I am in Florida and want to purchase guns I put my address in Florida, which is a home that I own and reside at part time, as my address at that time. I'm back in NJ today and if I were to buy a gun I'd put my address in NJ on the form and show them my DL and FID. What it doesn't address is that if I lease my weekend home or other residence how that is treated. It could get a bit odd because if I'm on vacation in Tennessee renting a cabin for two weeks am I resident? The explanation doesn't give an detail for a renter. Does it have to be an annual lease? I don't know because it only address my home. However, it doesn't say anywhere I have to own the home. I'd call an FFL in DE and ask them how they'd treat you. I know how I was treated in FL and it worked out fine.

I had a copy of my tax bill and a utility bill because I didn't know which was better. Turns out they were fine with either and used my NJ d/l and bought a long gun and a pistol. I didn't get my CWL yet so there's a three day wait for the pistol. Read the form if you are multi state resident you claim the residence of the state you are standing in at that time. If you have a lease in Delaware and are in Delaware to purchase a firearm that's what you put in form 4473. Because you don't have a state ID from Delaware you need to prove residence another way, thus a utility bill, rental agreement, tax bill, deed, mortgage, etc. with any of those docs you prove residence. The drivers license proves identity. When my CWL is done I won't have to wait for my pistols. I'm going to change my D/L next week so my CWL is then instate which means PA carry is legal for me. I go to PA now and again and my daughter is at PSU.

Great story but I couldn't help but notice she had a great rack.

I'm going over later using my tax bill and NJ D/L. I'll give a report.

The guy near me had no issue with my NJ driver's license. Some may give you a hard time but according to the form there should be no issue. Try a birth certificate they're pretty universal.

Ok, I just read for 4473 and so should you. I spoke to an FFL and it seems my interpretation is correct. It seems like I should be able to buy anything while I'm in FL (DE for you). The explanation of question 13 on page 5 actually states how to select your state of residence. The example given is if you are buying a firearm while at your weekend home in State X then list your address in State X in response to question 2. I read that as if I am at an FFL in Florida with my NJ drivers license it is perfectly legal (seems like required) that I list my address there for question 2 on form 4473. Here's the link and look at item 13 on page 5. https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download I'm bringing my tax bill, a lease or utility bill works too, my NJ DL and I'm going to purchase a firearm using these instructions. So, you don't need to ditch you NJ DL as it is only used as proof of who you are. You can use several documents to say you live, at least part time, in Delaware.