High Exposure

I can’t even listen to that kid....

I hate that kid. Lucas Botkin is a bigoted asshole that has zero background in real world gunfighting. He manipulates his videos to appear faster than he is, and tries to pass himself of as a “trainer” of LEO and Special military units. I award him no points and may God have mercy on his soul.

Thanks Scorpio. That’s “Mike the Cop”. He has a YouTube channel and he’s pretty funny.

I used to issue the Speer 64gr Gold Dots. I switched my agency and the county team to the Federal TRU.

I have shot this ammo out of a 14.5” and 16” AR in direct head to head comparison into ballistic gel through multiple different kinds of barriers, including - bare gel, T shirt, denim, heavy leather, glass, drywall, 2x4. I shot it against the entire Remington LE line and equivalent Speer, and Hornady offerings. It came out on top. It does everything you want it to do. It’s not bad for duty ammo. Seriously, How much do you need for HD? 100 rounds for function test and zero and another 60 to load mags.

Federal TRU 64gr Soft Nose .223 Part #:T223L I have shot this ammo out of a 14.5” and 16” AR in direct head to head comparison into ballistic gel through multiple different kinds of barriers, including - bare gel, T shirt, denim, heavy leather, glass, drywall, 2x4. I shot it against the entire Remington LE line and equivalent Speer, and Hornady offerings. It came out on top. It does everything you want it to do.

Hmmmm.... I wonder if those SROs had rifle plates and rifles - weapons equal to the shooter and protection from his rounds - would they have run in? Should first responders face almost certain death because they aren’t allowed to have the same weapons and equipment we allow our citizens to own? If the people of our nation should be allowed to have AR type rifles, and I truly believe the do, then the organization tasked with policing the people should have the tools to do so.

Yup. Pat was a disciple of Jeff’s and a long time Gunsite instructor and director of training.

^^^ Fucking THIS!!!! This is why we must encourage and not dog-pile those with opposing views. No one ever won an argument by calling their opponent an idiot, shill, or anything derogatory. Lay out the facts. Put out good info. Don’t take it personal. Be pleasant but firm. Be rational not emotional. This is how you change minds. The first thing you have to do in any discussion like this is to convince the other side that it’s OK to change their mind, and they weren’t stupid for believing what they believed in the first place. You can’t let them get defensive. Once they are defending themselves, and not their opinions, it’s over. Luckily, AVB has thick skin and an open mind. This is very uncommon in my experience. We still may not all agree 100% but that’s ok, as long as there is mutual respect and we act like adults.

Welcome!

Keeping in mind policing is regional - I am only speaking from a N.J. perspective. An SRO is a full police officer that is assigned to duties specific to the public schools in the municipality where the officer works. Their specific duties vary department to department. While that sounds pretty basic, it is often times a challenging complicated job, with varying levels of responsibility between the Board of Ed, the PD, and the School Facilty and students. It is a job I would not want to be assigned. In some agencies, the SRO is nothing but a security guard, in others it is like policing a completely separate town from the one that hired you, and in still others, you are treated like nothing more than a “guidance counselor”.

During the opening lecture in every one of Pat Rogers’ classes he used to give a pretty good talk on combat mindset and how many rounds are necessary to stop a threat. In the end he would say: “Keep shooting until he changes shape or catches fire” I think this is good advice.

School Resource Officer

Well said USR30c.

WTF dude? Unnecessary. If this is how we treat folks after having their eyes opened a bit? It is no wonder we are always fighting, and often losing our rights. Everyone in this world is a victim of their own frame of reference and no one holds all the keys to the kingdom. We each view the world, the people in it, and the things that happen with a bias towards what we have experienced, what we have come to believe is the truth of this world. Not everyone has been a victim of a violent crime. Not everyone has seen evil. You can not expect everyone to come to the same conclusions as “you” on their own. Some folks need a little help. This is the part we are supposed to be better at. Using facts and logic to defeat emotion and rhetoric. A lot of you in this thread are lacking that ability - some of you all sound like Democrats with your idle threats, and attempts at silencing. Screaming over an attempt at dialogue - shit some of you sound like you’ve been triggered and need a safe space. Russian shill? Come on. A bunch of folks here have met him - hell, he came to a shotgun shoot. I expect better from my brother and sister gun owners. I am very disappointed. Be gracious. Take the win. You actually changed someone’s mind. And if you look, it wasn’t the ones who gnashed their teeth add wrent their clothes over AVB’s statements. It was those of us who held true to the core values of our side of the argument - the ones who used calm and directed knowledge, undisputed facts, and truth, that changed AVB’s mind. AVB, I am directly opposed to the statements made by the congresscritter from Florida. Many others in this thread have covered the big points but basically it boils down to this - You can not legislate evil, and people are evil. Guns are tools. We are facing a software issue, not a hardware one. I believe that the big issue we are facing is the fact that those with mental instability of any kind are placed in a “protected class”. By doing such we are doing everyone a disservice. I think we need a complete overhaul of the mental health system before we will see a drastic change in the kind of behavior that can creates someone that thinks shooting up a school is a good thing. In the meantime, we need more SROs - I have many thoughts on what it means to be an SRO but that is a different topic.

Ooooof. That hurts... Hey, at least we’re better than the Rangers!

AVB - That is a primo setup. More than you probably need, but if it’s what you want and you want to spend the $$ - awesome! Zeke - check out Vortex. You get a lot for your money.

Ray, 3.5” model 43?

Again, converting it is no different in manipulations than cleaning the gun. If your going to clean it without messing it up, you can swap the slides.

Yes. Thanks! I edited my post accordingly.

Oh stop..... If it can stand up to going pew pew pew, it can handle me taking a slide on and off. If you think about it - it is no different than cleaning the gun. The .40/9mm slide comes off, .22 slide goes on. When I am done, .22 slide comes off and .40/9mm slide goes back on. Also, Glock doesn’t make a .22 version of its pistols. With the conversion I can use my holsters, and all my other gear designed to carry my Glocks and their mags.That is added bonus. Throw my SW AR15-22 in the mix and I have a complete .22 training set up that mimics my carry gear. I am thinking of buying a stripped OEM Glock frame and putting the .22 conversion on full time, but it’s a want - not a need.

I have an AA kit for a Gen 3 Glock 17/22 size frame. It’s been great. Shoots any 40gr ammo I feed it.

Newsflash - Guns are loud. Now back to your regularly scheduled beating of a dead horse.