High Exposure

My wife went to E&M Gold Beekeepers in Tinton Falls for a NJ Master Gardener event this morning. As she is into all things nature and plant related, I had told her about the new regulations that I learned about here a while ago. She brought up the new regulations to the staff there. They said that the regulation set to start on 8/21 has been recalled for further conversation and research. The Link at the NJDA site in the OP reflects this:

I do not like flat triggers. I personally do not see any advantages on any pistol other than maybe a 1911 style gun where the trigger is essentially a "button" that you push straight back vs the "switch" that pivots on a hinge at the top of the lever that most other pistols have. I tried a bunch of different flat triggers when researching a trigger to upgrade a Glock I was messing around with. I ended up going with the Overwatch Falx trigger which retains the original curve of the stock OEM triggers, but removes the pre-travel. That being said, the reason I tried so many flat triggers was that people I know that shoot well, seem to prefer them and I know a few guys that shoot flat triggers like the proverbial "House on fire". There is obviously something there that works, it just isn't for me.

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/matt-foley-van-down-by-the-river/3505931?snl=1

Aaron Cowen / Sage Dynamics released a paper on the subject of RDS sighted pistols. http://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/7dc128_50a7c57f2d284e53bca8584a7f7925b1.pdf It's long and I haven't read it all but I figured some of you may find it interesting. It is mainly written from a "Duty Use" perspective, but the info I've read is pretty good. Special attention: @blksheep and @Vlad G

Nope, actually getting delivered to my house. I got it in UDE, maybe it takes a little longer for the color. My Mother-In-Law is home at the house all week, she can sign for it. ETA: Just checked my account at LaRue. No tracking number yet. Now, I need to order a lower.... Decision decisions...

The video I linked to above was a "part 2" response to their original video below. It was made by the same people for the same distributor.

". . . so in this video we drop test, at many angles, a Glock 17 Gen 2, Glock 17 Gen 3 modified by Zev, Glock 22 Gen 4, Glock 43, Heckler & Koch VP9, HK VP9SK, Polymer80 PF940C Glock kit with all stock Glock parts, Smith & Wesson M&P9 M2.0, S&W M&P 45, and a Springfield TRP Operator 1911. None of these firearms caused a primed case to discharge." https://www.omahaoutdoors.com/blog/sig-sauer-p320-drop-test-follow-video/

Still waiting for confirmation on my order.

I think it matters. It matters when a neighboring agency is planing on buying Sigs. It matters when teammates are planing on buying one and using it for work. It matters when my officers show up at the range with one to qualify as an off duty gun. It matters if a brother or sister forum member gets injured because they accidentally drop their new Sig.

WTF does this situation have to do with Glock? Did Gaston sneak into Sig and change the plans? Did he pay an engineer to design a faulty trigger or striker safety? Did he disguise himself as a Sig PR rep to try to cover it up or hack their twitter/instagram/bookface? Just because I shoot Glocks does that mean I can't say another manufacturer is jacked up or made a mistake or designed an unsafe product? This is about Sig. Full Stop. Period. The end. This is no more about Glock than it is about HK or Beretta or any other manufacturer.

John, This ain't about catastrophic failures that can happen in any gun. This ain't about Glock vs Sig - oh, by the way I believe you brought Glock into this conversation. It was not me. I never once mentioned any company other than Sig . This isn't about duty guns vs recreational guns or hard use vs plinking or any of that crap. This is about a known flaw that is dangerous and unacceptable in any gun for any purpose. A design that should never have made it into a production guns. Something that it appears Sig knew about but tried to keep quiet as they rolled out a fix disguised as an "option" or "enhancement". Something that they now state is no big deal as it happens to every striker fired gun - which is total bullshit. Check your HK, S&W, Glock, CZ, Kahr, or whatever manual, and see if there is a warning that states the gun will go off if dropped. Go ahead I will wait. Sig has it in their manual for the first time ever, right there on Page 25. Gee, I wonder if they knew there was an issue? Of course they did, they had enough time to print it in their manual! And they still rolled them out to the public. You may be OK being treated that way by a company. I am not. Sig was great until Cohen took over. He ruined Kimber chasing the almighty dollar by cutting corners and producing a shoddy version of what was once a quality and well made 1911 pistol. Thankfully Kimber is finally recovering since he left. Their newer pistols have been running well from what I am hearing and seeing. Now he is at Sig and he is ruining them same way. ^^^ The best part is the shield guy is running an older Sig. You know, one that won't go off if dropped.

I have the Hornady one and like it very much. It fits my rifle with optics set up better than the Shotlock even though I prefer the simplex lock to the electric stuff. The Hornady has a key option as well which is a suitable backup for dead batteries. If they know where my rifle is and can hack the RF, they can cut the Sheetrock and studs. Its more to keep the kids hands off than prevent a burglar from getting it when I am not home. In that regard it is part of a layered system. Cameras, alarm, dogs, locked doors, hidden, etc...

I know for a fact that the NJSP does not conduct any test to measure the flash produced or hidden by any muzzle device. They do rely heavily on the description and details provided by the manufacturer when forming their opinion on what kind of device is attached to a particular muzzle.

Shotlock or Hornady Rapid Safe AR Wall Lock https://www.hornady.com/security/rapid-safes/ar-wall-lock Mount it to a stud in your closet and hang a hoodie on it. No one will ever see it. Put a lockable door knob/handle on the closet as well for when you aren't home. Terrible ballistics when regarding retained energy through interior and exterior walls. A 5.56/.223 AR has better terminal ballistics and less chance of seriously injuring or killing someone after passing through walls.

So... Should I start posting pics of Kaboomed Sigs? They are out there you know.... And 1911s, and S&Ws, and HKs, and revolvers, and, and, and..... you get the idea. But that's not what this is about. This thread is about Sig and their latest fuckup and their following coverup of said fuckup. Some key statements that have me 99% convinced Sig is sucking it hard on this issue and knows it: "SIG SAUER is offering these enhancements to its customers." Emphasis mine. I get that this may be legalese, but they should not be OFFERING this as an ENHANCEMENT when without it the weapon is unsafe. They also refer to it as a "Voluntary Upgrade" when referring to the MHS version of the pistol. That language implies that this is not a necessary and mandatory change to ensure a safe firearm. Further, I won't be surprised if the "plan" includes paying for shipping and/or waiting an exorbitant amount of time to get my pistol back. "The M17 variant of the P320, selected by the US. Government as the US. Army’s Modular Handgun System (MHS), is not affected by the Voluntary Upgrade." So is this because Sig submitted a version of the 320 that isn't subject to this flaw? That would imply they knew about this problem a year ago at least and did nothing about it until "caught". Or is it because they intend to change the design of the pistol before supplying them? Sig is stating that this is an inherent problem in all firearms. For their first time ever they printed a drop warning in their product manuals. But they didn't know? C'mon. The other part that disturbs me is that the Dallas PD memo is leaked on 08-03-2017, Which Mr Grey then issues a rebuttal to and on 08-07-2017 the video by Omaha Outdoor is released showing that there is a issue. Then on 08-08-2017 they have an ironclad fix........ If the fix has been designed and tested, then they had to know about this for months. There is no way that in 24 hours they designed a fix and tested it to satisfaction. There is no possible way. Personally, I would not trust a company that sold me a known defective product to now fix it for me. They have lied. They have ridiculed those who pointed out the flaw. They are calling the repair of a major safety hazard an "Upgrade" "enhancement" and "voluntary". Clownshoes.

An AR is my first choice. No, I don't know where you are going with this...

Just throw it over the berm!

Seriously. I have a buddy that does it for a couple boxes of ammo. Anyway - Yes, while I agree the recoil and blast from a 5.56/.223 rifle isn't that bad, some direction of the gasses and control of the muzzle is gained from the addition of a quality muzzle device. Recoil and blast are very subjective shooter to shooter. Some brakes and comps work great for some shooters while other shooters may despise that particular device. Everyone needs to find what works for them. I have recently become a big fan of the SF MB556 with the option of adding a Warden when shooting with a team. For some of us, where the gasses go after the bullet leaves the barrel actually matter, and for a bunch of different reasons.

From a buddy that is a municipal PA cop: "You're good under LEOSA for Independence Hall and the Bell. You just need to declare and a DCNR Ranger may come verify status. Not sure on Mint. It was closed when we went last year. It's Federal so who knows."

I use blue loctite on everything on my rifles and holsters. I also take a paint pen and make witness marks so I can quickly tell visually if something has started to work it's way loose. I have seen way to many failures from people that haven't.

Sig has already had to deal with this when a cop dropped a Sig 220 that went off and shot him in the head and killed him. No, you shouldn't drop a pistol. But sometimes you have to use your hands when they are wet, bloody, injured, etc... Sometimes you trip and fall and you have to run and slide with a gun. Sometimes good guys get shot and guess what - they drop their guns. The only time a gun should go off is when you press the trigger. You shouldn't have to worry about your gun going off if it hits the floor.