High Exposure

This.

I guess I should have fleshed my example out a bit, but it's a true statement. You are not justified in using deadly force if you purposefully created the situation that put you in danger of death or serious bodily injury. You can't jump in front of a speeding car then shoot the driver because you were afraid he was going to hit and kill you. If you purposefully go 10 miles out of your way to use an ATM in a notoriously bad part of town, while passing perfectly good ATMs near your current location, hoping to get mugged so you can defend yourself, that will not work so well. Walking down a street in a bad part of town dressed well and wearing expensive jewelry, not smart but there is nothing wrong with it If something happens and you need to defend yourself. Now if you are acting drunk and flashing wads of cash to unsavory folks, an attempt to bait them into robbing you so you can use deadly force to protect yourself, that's a no go.

First - No killing is ever a good killing. It may be justified, it may be reasonable, it may even be ethically, legally, and morally correct, but it is never, ever good. Second - There is no such thing as "excessive force" it is either justified or it isn't - "excessive force" is a made up buzz word like "Assault Rifle" that the Left and the media like to throw around. You can hit someone with your car, set them on fire, beat them with a frying pan - if deadly force is justified, none of those methods are "excessive". Third - there are many facets to self defense. One of them is the use of deadly force. It isn't always justified but when it is, it's on. Deadly force is just that - force that can cause death. Deadly force is used to stop another's aggressive actions that may result in the death or serious bodily injury of yourself or another, and is justified providing that you didn't create the situation where force is now required (i.e.: you can't walk around Newark at 0 dark thirty with $100 bills falling out of your pockets and then use deadly force on an attacker. That would not be justified.) You are permitted to use such force as necessary until the actor ceases his aggressive and dangerous actions. No where does it say you only get one shot, one stab, one hit. Force is used until the actor stops. There is also no provision that states you have to warn an attacker of your pending action prior to using force or to announce your intent to possess or use a weapon to defend yourself or another. I am sure there is a lot more to this story. I am withholding judgement until more facts are in. That being said, I like it when the good guys win. I hope this turns out to be one of those times.

Hard to describe easy to demonstrate. Let me see if I can figure out a way to write it up.....

DT I need to show you the right way to rig a 2pt sling so you can go up a ladder.

Looks like external threads in there. I'd say they are a No-go in PRNJ.

This. Its like Fight Club.

It's not quite that simple Zeke. You can't turn someone's comfort level with a topic that has such dire consequences, whether you happen to run afoul of either the law or safety, into a mere soundbite. He knows if the law changes he will comply - it is his decision and nothing is wrong with that. He doesn't want to spend money twice to buy new mags, so he is looking ahead. Good for him. StuckinNJ's choices are not yours or mine to make - as in the end, he is taking responsibility for them. They may not be the choices you or I would make, and again that OK. At the end of the day he is literally our brother in arms - a gun owner, a shooter, a fellow community/forum member, an American, a proponent of the 2A who gives to the cause by his very act of even owning a gun. He is a gun owner who comfortable doing what he's doing. He has made his decision on how he will proceed following a personal cost/benefit analysis. His decision should be respected - even if you disagree. Period. Full stop. Respectful and persuasive discussion or debate and conversation is one thing. To tell him to just sell his guns and find a new hobby because his choices differ from anyone else's is total bullshit.

Yeah, smart Ray. Let's have a fellow shooter sell his guns because he doesn't want to break the law and he isn't as "radical" as you are. You are always talking about eating our own, but you have the biggest fork out there. Jesus Christ. Every gun owner has their limit on what they are comfortable doing. Not every gun owner has the 2A as their top political priority. Some gun owners just like to shoot. They don't care if they have 10, 15, 30 rounds in their mag. They aren't political. But they are still exercising their 2A rights. Who are you to tell them they should get rid of their guns. That's playing right into the Antis hands. He isn't taking anything away from you. Hes not turning in your mags. He's just not comfortable risking his money or freedom on keeping items made illegal by bad laws. Like it or not, until you have your revolution, the laws still apply. You don't have to agree with them, but you have to suffer the consequences if you are caught violating them. StuckinNJ has every RIGHT to follow what he thinks is the correct course of action for him, no matter how much you tell him he's wrong. That's the very definition of liberty in practice. Hes doing his part. He's a gun owner. He's a shooter. Not everyone can, or is willing, to go full on "Cold dead hands". That doesn't make their membership any less important in the 2A fight than anyone else's. We need every gun owner we can get right now. Don't isolate one because they are uncomfortable risking what they have. More importantly, don't turn a lawful gun owner into a spokesman the antis by being a dickhead. That's shortsighted and stupid.

Relevant thread with good info: https://www.njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/79832-slings/&do=findComment&comment=1015674

More mags = more better. Zeke, since you are keeping track: Mesa OK SERPA bad More mags is always more better.

Anything you shoot indoors that is generally considered to be an acceptable self defense round will penetrate CONUS construction materials. Your safe backstop in a self defense shooting is the bad guy. If you miss, the round will go and penetrate whatever it hits - that's true for rifle, shotgun, and pistol ammo. FBI, ATF, and DEA Studies show that 5.56/.223 designed for indoor use (ex: Fed TRU 62gr soft nose) have less potential to seriously injure or kill than just about any other platform - after penetrating most modern US construction. That's not to say the projectile is incapable of killing someone after going through a wall, but it will have less energy and mass. Do your research. As far as Mini-14 v AR, there's a reason that very few people tasked with the possibility of shooting people as a job description carry an AR of some type vs a Mini. Again, due diligence and proper research will keep you informed and happy with your purchase.

Agreed Zeke and an AR is my first pick for HD. A shotgun with appropriate ammo is second. My recommendation to the OP is to grab a Remington 870. Go to a gun show and grab a beat up looking Police trade in cheap. They may look rough, but they fall under the category of carried a lot, shot a little. I guarantee it is practically brand new where it counts. Spend a few MOE bucks to get it refinished (if you care to) -and you are all set with shotgun better than an express model for much less than a "police" model. Remember, function over form. Don't force an unsuitable gun into a role it isn't meant for. If that's all you have, that's one thing. But you are buying for a specific purpose. Don't limit yourself to 2 rounds and a sllllloooooooowwww reload in a self defense situation. If you have your heart set in it, get the SxS you want, just use it for an appropriate purpose.

Lol! No that has nothing to do with Griz. Thats from an old thread here where a member was stating that WW1 trench warfare tactics with a 1911 and combat knife were superior to modern SWAT/CQB/FISH tactics when it came to defending your home.

Ha! Don't forget a 1911 in the other hand. It worked in WW1 to clear trenches, it's gotta be perfect for HD! [/sarcasm]

Do not use bird shot for HD. It leaves a nasty looking but shallow wound that isn't very effective in stopping a determined attacker. If you feel you and/or your family is in enough danger you need to fire a shotgun in defense of them, use something effective that will have a better chance of stopping the attacker and his aggressive actions towards you. Invest in some 00 or #1 buck designed for social purposes. There are lots of low recoil options that were designed for Law Enforcement that shine in this role. Look at Federal Flight Control and Hornady TAP specifically. They are both are low recoil rounds that maintain very tight groups at room/hallway distances - I'm talking cover all 8 pellets at 10 yards with the palm of your hand tight. These rounds were designed for FISHing and perform very well and the low recoil design makes them almost as mild as a 20g and still quite potent. Whatever you get, make sure you pattern it in YOUR shotgun at distances that are appropriate for your situation. With a shotgun it is imperative that you know what your shotgun does with your ammo at different distances.

I can't tell you how many times I go to a house and see these beautiful kids living in filth with awful parents. Heartbreaking. I wish I could take them all home with me. Well done Officer! Thans for posting Mrs Peel!

I just got one of these for a pistol build and didn't even think of it for a rifle. This is an excellent choice. You can get a lower 1/3 cowitness mount for it and it would be a very capable and reliable CQB optic for half the price of a T1 and less weight. If you are worried about battery life, reported battery life in the field is a little over 3 years. Swap batteries once a year and you are good.

I am an Aimpoint guy. I have 5 T1s and 4 PROs. My first choice is to save a bit and make an Aimpoint fit your budget. That being said, I have a Holosun (I forget what model, it's the T1 clone) on my .40 carbine that has been running like a top. I have no qualms recommending it. Also, the FBI - the agency responsible for detecting the problem with the EoTechs wandering zero - has recently approved the Sig Romeo 4 (built by Holosun) for duty use by their SWAT teams.

Birdshot probably didn't even make it past the fur.

Yuck

I have 3 of the Overwatch Falx triggers. I am a huge fan.

Nice! Nice shooting with you.

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