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Someone needs to put the internets away when they are drinking.....

Or the Daniel Defense Onega 7 (carbine) or Omega 9 (mid-length) FF Railed Handguards.

Hey! That's Lalo!

Have the driveway empty so they can back the truck right up and have plenty of room in the garage. Make it easy for them and they will help you out for some cash. If you are still worried, rent a dolly as a backup plan and have them place it on there on the driveway. Then get a neighbor to help you stick it in the garage for a 6 pack.

I agree. I said the same thing when talking about the folks "guarding" the recruitment center after the shooting in TN. http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/77621-the-way-america-responds-to-a-mass-shooting/#entry985483 I was picturing a Taurus Judge in a Fobus holster strapped to a plate carrier with no plates in it.

My buddy has one. I shot it when he first got it. It is "teh awesome". I just can't justify spending the $$ on it. It won't be going on a work gun, so a lower quality is OK. Besides,if I work more OT to save up some dough, it is going to other things. I want a 1-6 optix, but I don't want one 5 times more expensive. Yet....

I spoke with the LE Sales rep at Vortex yesterday. He estimated a 3 month wait if I ordered today.

Pretty sure that's is Somerset County SORT - a regional SWAT team that is overseen by the Somerset County Prosecutor's Office and comprised of members recruited from the local municipalities and county agencies in Somerset County. They are wearing Multicam (a general issue/multi-terrain use pattern) not desert camo. What makes you think they are inexperienced? I have worked with these guys on a few occasions and they are well trained and very professional.

So do a few NJGFers.....

That's sharp as hell brother! Well Done!!

Remember Ray, I'm not moving the grip to my hip, ensuring the barrel is relatively level with the ground, and letting them rip. I have to aim high, low, straight in at chest level. They are all awkward angles dictated by the type of door, frame, and hinge. This is all done while standing a little off to the side of the vector of recoil. You need that "90degree" handle.

Very small shotguns have their own set of problems that need to be addressed. Remember, not everyone is a deltarangerseal. 18 year old Private Snuffy has to be able to follow the TTPs safely as well. Like any large organization, you train to the ability of the lowest/newest/least capable member.

Yup. I learned that the hard way when I needed a holster for a new duty gun ASAP. They showed it in stock so I ordered it. Took 2 months to arrive. I tried to call and cancel the order about 3 weeks in after I got the gear I needed from another source (ATS Tactical, outstanding online store). They wanted to charge me a $25 re-stocking fee. I couldn't figure out why I had to pay a re-stocking fee for an item that was clearly not stocked by them. They did NOT appreciate my logic. I kept the order, and still use the holster, but I won't buy from them again.

Agreed. All of the LEO ballistic breaching programs I know if use dedicated breaching guns. These guns are also never used with standard ammo - breaching rounds only. The Army has a different outlook and has been trying to create a better "Masterkey" setup for years. Plus, it probably still weighs the same/less than a SAW, 240B, or M4/203 combo. I do know that some military units keep full size Mossberg shotguns as breaching guns instead of using a system like that.

I have 3 ALG ACT triggers. They are an excellent value. I also have 3 Geisselle SSA and an SD-E trigger. The ACT won't replace them, but at 1/3 the cost they can't be beat. I like these triggers so much that this is the LPK I buy to build any new lowers: http://midwestpx.com/product_info.php?cPath=55&products_id=659 Every new build will have an ALG ACT at a minimum.

Dammit!! I was gonna go to the match but now I'm gonna be in Missouri visitng my brother that week. $429 is too much when $329 is listed at Brownells and Paul is saying his price will likely be under $320. I can wait.

Where did you pick up yours? Brownells still has them on pre-order.

Here ya go Vlad, +2 mag extension from Ghost: http://www.ghostinc.com/product/GHO_43_MINIMED/G43-MAGAZINE-EXTENSION-DEVICE---MED.html I have no experience with this product, but Ghost typically makes good gear.

No worries Paul. Thanks for the update. If anything changes please let us know. I am still very interested in this optic.

Already took one just to get hired. But thanks anyway

Vlad stated the lower capacity of the G43 was a concern for him. If he has a concern, then he should address it. Vlad has carried a G27 for a few years with no doubts. Why start carrying a G43 and have concerns all in the name of saving a 3.76oz on his belt and 0.16" in "bulk"? The juice isn't worth the squeeze if it creates doubt. Personally, the gun I typically carry is a G23 and a G22 mag for a reload. I have settled on the G23 as a good balance of capability, concealability, capacity, and reliability. With an IWB holster it is as concealable as a G27 with pinky or +1 mag extension. I am significantly faster and more accurate with the G23 than a G27. I feel comfortable that 29 rounds can get me and mine out of harms way. That's the compromise I am willing to make. Would I like more gun, more ammo, less weight, and less bulk? Sure! But, like all things CCW related - it's a compromise. When the balloon goes up I'll probably wish I had more rounds, a rifle, and that I was somewhere else. But, carrying a rifle daily isn't practical, wishing I wasn't there is useless, and I have decided I am comfortable with one extra mag. (Lately, when going to the movies I have been carrying 2 extra). I do have a G27 that I carry as a BUG at work. I don't carry it by itself. Is rather carry the G23 but that's just me. There are times when I carry a Kahr 9mm as a primary CCW gun, but those times are few and far between and are usually dictated by dress.

Serious question: Why not buy a 9mm conversion barrel, 9mm trigger housing, 9mm LCI extractor and spring, and 2 G26 Mags? You looking at ~$150 for everything and you just converted your G27 to a G26 with a heavy barrel. There is no free lunch. A smaller gun in a duty calibers will have less capacity and be harder to shoot fast and accurate - two things you will want when your life is on the line and you have to actually use it. A carry gun needs to be comforting, not necessarily comfortable. If you have a doubt, then it needs to be addressed. I know there is a trade-off and compromises need to be made - but look seriously at the compromises you make. You are trading ounces for capability in life saving equipment. You are walking around town, not climbing Annapurna. You don't need to shave ounces off your gear. I have heard any gun is better than no gun, I just disagree. A gun capable of doing what you ask of it should be carried. You last thought should not be "I wish I brought a different gun". IMO, YMMV, etc....

I haven't tried the bird's beak, but the grip on their now is comfy as hell. Plus, it was a gift from the guy that runs the breaching program for 10th Mtn.

I placed this topic here because it's not about a gun, it's about people. A gun did not do this, a person did. This is about a specific violent act and it's repercussions, not about the tool that did it. This article would've gone here whether the actor use a bat, a knife, or a feather duster.