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So did I. And within 5 seconds and 1 Google search I found out: There are many articles about it That it has been known about since 4/13 How to make it happen What other phrases it works with And that Apple reports it is a glitch No Conspiracy, no censorship, no big brother, and the sky is not falling.

Exactly. Unless you want them to know that you own guns

Excuse me, I used the word "said" referring to Shawn's choice of "The Sky Is Falling" type language that he used for the title of his Chicken Little post. If he did not think it was censorship, why did he title his post the way he did? He knew it was a glitch before he posted it - The only way to get it to work is to put a space after Obama, if he got it to work, he was aware of the glitch, and entered the space. So, why allude that is censorship when he knows it is not in the first place? It doesn't make sense. Allow me to re-phrase my post for you: Like it or not, the title of the post - in this case "Crazy Censorship" - is not isolated from the content of the post. Even the forum admin/moderators agree: http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/52215-thread-titles-important/?hl=titles Regardless of what else he wrote, he called this glitch - which has been widely known since late April 2013 - "Censorship", in typical Shawn - over the top/end of the world/they are coming for us - fashion.

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Incorrect. Shawn titled the thread "Crazy Censorship" alluding to the fact that it was purposeful and done by an entity looking to change or delete people's speech. If he said "hey, this is weird", "check this out" or "You cant text the word 'Obama'", different story altogether, but that wouldn't have been enough drama. ETA: I just tried it and it "Obama" was not deleted.

Ah, gotcha. You spoiled us "Immediate Gratification" types with your same day scores

Where are the scores posted, the OBRPC or the WCS website, or are they not up yet?

Wait? You mean his videos did not inspire confidence, security, and an open mind regarding the 2nd Ammendment in the residents of his town or the population in general? This is my shocked face

That, depends, Are they retreating or are they moving to a position of advantage in order to continue the fight? Are they going for more ammo, better cover, more friends, bigger guns, are they attempting negate your cover by maneuvering around it, are they headed to your kids room or your neighbors house, or are they simply running away? If you are in a gunfight, you are in a gunfight. You can't read your adversaries mind or decipher their intentions. If you shoot someone anywhere - the back, the foot, or the head - you are looking at being taken into custody to explain yourself, especially here in NJ. But for that to happen, you and yours have to survive the gunfight. In the context of the drill they were conducting, in a State other than NJ with true self defense laws in place, that is a legitimate scenario and 1 of many proper responses that could have been played out. They forced that scenario to go that way. "No sign of a weapon" is a long way from unarmed. The role player said it himself, "I have a gun - yours - after I take it from you". If you are armed and it comes down to a physical confrontation what could happen? We just had a good example of this in FL didn't we? If he defeats you he now has your gun. That role player was showing some extreme signs of aggression and was advancing regardless of the warnings - he was a clear hostile threat. I don't know if I would have handled it the same way exactly but what the shooter did wasn't necessarily wrong per-se. Like anything, you need to seperate the wheat from the chaff in training. Learning the lessons is more important than the exact scenario or how it played out. The lessons this last video reinforced for me were: - Situational awareness is key. - Keep your personal space personal. - Knives are fast, easily obtainable and hidden, and lethal. - Just because you start the encounter with the gun, doesn't mean you will end it with the gun.

It seems to me that all of the ones who speak out in a professional manner for 2A rights don't have this problem either... So what makes his case different do you think? What does that have to do with anything? The only things on me when I work that the town paid for is my Badge, my radio, my vest, and my Pistol. Everything else I pay out of my own pocket - boots, uniforms, leather gear, batteries, flashlights, notebooks, etc... I don't get a $200 year uniform allowance. And I am not pissed about it. Again, this is something you know when you take the Job. Don't like it, don't sign up. That's like guys complaining about working on Holidays. Drives me nuts when guys boo-hoo about missing Christmas dinner - You knew this was a 24/7 job when you decided to take the job. What are you bitching about?

Your are right, Vlad. He is a Single individual standing up and making his voice heard. That can be a very difficult thing. And I know that now I am just taking pot shots, but c'mon. Seriously? Under Armor hat, Class B "Militarized" Uniform, a dip in his lip, not to mention the bad grammar and punctuation... And isn't he a Dept of One? "Aid his police force"? shouldn't it be "Aid Him"? If you want to be taken seriously and represent a demographic as a leader and a professional, the BE professional. It is really quite simple. *side note: How come 4 pistol mags, machine guns for a 1 man PD and BDUs on this guy is OK, but anywhere else it is "Militarized"? Posting on a YouTube channel called "Chief Kessler" while shooting Department weapons (regardless who bought them, if the Town owns them now then it is Dept property not his)m and possibly even agency bought ammo. That is no longer "not working". And like it or not, no, you can't do whatever you want when you are off. We have a clause in our contract about conduct unbecoming - even off duty. It's there when you get hired and it is made clear to you. If you don't like it, don't take the Job. A lot of guys here are always talking about holding Cops to a higher standard, and they are right. Well now is your chance. Hold him to a higher standard. You can't let him slide just because you agree with his message, that would be hypocritical. Keep hoping for your revolution Shawn. It will come...

Very professional

Just a couple comments on the oft repeated OPINIONS of Pat Rogers and Kyle Lamb on the 5.7: These two individuals have zero experience with the 5.7x28mm (either in testing or in shootings) -- their opinions have been formed by what they have read or heard about.. hardly an "expert" opinion worth repeating.Pat is a very good friend of mine, and Kyle is an acquaintance. I find it amusing that two men with careers as storied and experienced as theirs are reduced to being inexperienced fools in the art of gunfighting, or the capabilities of weapon systems out there by you. So killer, what have you done? What makes your opinion on the 5.7 more relevant than those guys? What, you carry one for self defense? You read about it on the internets? What more than "what you have read or heard about" is your worthless opinion based on? Have you used a 5.7 caliber weapon operationally? Have you smoked any fools with a 5.7? With anything? I did start with someone that has used the weapon in a shooting, or can't you remember after all the bs you have posted. According to them, it "Sucked. Giant. Dog. Balls." I also tested the weapon for my agency. In my opinion, and the opinion of my fellow range staff, it also "Sucked. Giant. Dog. Balls." But that didn't fit within your perception of reality so you basically called my buddy (and me) a liar. I read Sandy's post - on an airsoft forum nonetheless It is rife with BS and contradictions: "The suspect was hit multiple times with both 5.56mm AND 5.7mm rounds" - well which was it, the 5.56 or the 5.7 that did the job? "no more accidentally going full-auto because you did not realize where your selector was positioned." - 'no more' indicates that it has happens more than once in the past and once should be reason enough to be thrown off a SWAT team alone. I know it would get me kicked off mine and I know I am not making entry with someone that can't tell what condition his weapon is in. "The 50 round magazine almost eliminates the need to carry extra ammo." - Really? "If you operate in an environment like the one I operate in, you can’t go wrong with a P90 slung at the low-ready." - I do spend time a lot of time as a SWAT Cop, and I wouldn't take a P90 unless that was the only choice. (Also, guys that call themselves "operators" are ghey. They aren't surgeons and they don't answer phones.) Also, I have used the Wallbanger in training. It almost killed (decapitated) my team mate. We are now in the process with fighting with Safariland to return it. If he developed that monstrosity, I want nothing to do with anything he recommends. From one SWAT guy to another, I have no problems saying that. I know the capacity of the P90. And despite you calling me an "Armchair Operator" I also know a thing or two about CQB and FISHing. With a weapon that shoots such tiny and ineffective bullets that fast, that sounds like a viable TTP to neutralize a threat when saddled with that albatross. What "specialists" in the sandbox are you referring to? The 4.6 has a niche and it performs well there, but other than that one small mission, it is not preferred. By the way, you are calling out Pat Rogers and Kyle Lamb, then talking about "real CQB". So, what have you done? How much "real life" CQB have you participated in? How many times have you been FISHing for real? What gives you the chops to start making comments like that? "You aim center mass, depress the trigger for one second (that's 15 rounds flying like a laser at your POA) and watch the bad guy drop" - 'like a laser' comment aside - So 15 rounds to get the job done is OK? In a 50 round mag that is almost a third of your ammo. So the need to expend 33% of your weapons capacity to drop one bad guy is not just acceptable but preferable? Wow, I sure am glad you aren't selecting the weapons I have to carry...

This is what I call "post gun buy stress disorder". It happens after you buy a $1300 gun that takes $1 a round ammo and then realize you bought a weapon that won't do what you need it to do. So, you grasp at straws and rage against all who would deign to say that your new piece is inferior. You start debating esoteric minutae about weight and recoil (subjective), start calling any evidence that is contrary to what you believe lies, not-scientific, rumor. Then you start looking for instances, any instances, even if they don't really apply/compare, where the weapon/caliber was used and it worked, even a little to rest your case. SK, I bet you secretly carry a 9mm... So, I should post a list of all the times a non 5.7 round put someone down? Or should I just put up a list of the times the 5.7 performed poorly? That would make quite a pattern don't ya think? I think you are confusing who is ending up looking foolish and desperate in your "debates"... Just sayin' What popularity? Because there is no ammo for it it is the bees knees and everyone wants one? Look around, every caliber out there is currently in short supply. Glock is 1.5 million units behind in production and the last time I checked, they don't even make a 5.7 offering. In fact, no one does.... In my job, that is what I call a clue. A cartridge that has been around for 25 years and only one reputable company makes a gun to shoot it. Yeah, must be a real awesome round... Oh, these are facts? Why don't you say so? I didn't realize that these were not cut and pasted articles from a myriad of sources. I didn't know you vetted all of them. I didn't know that you vouch or the voracity of everyone's statements. Oh, wait, who are you again? Why should I listen to you? What have you done? Who have you taught? Who have you shot with a 5.7? Why should I give your "opinion" any more thought than I would the ravings of a 12 year old on an X-Box headset playing COD? And don't even bring up the stupid BA argument.... Ooooh, it offers rounds that will penetrate BA, if you can get them. You can also get 9mm rounds that zip soft BA too. In fact all rounds can bring down a guy wearing body armor - Shoot where the armor isn't or get a rifle. I carry a full size pistol all the time. Usually it is a Glock 35 or a Glock 22, sometimes a Glock 23 and always at least 1 extra mag. It is not uncomfortable at all, it is not heavy. I also wear a belt designed to carry a gun, a well made holster and clothes that fit. I have never, ever had my pants fall down. The fact that you have left your home with an empty hoster speaks more to your mindset being lacking than any lightweight advantage of a FiveseveN pistol. Good for you. I am glad you love it. You are a big boy, and you get to choose what to hang your hat on. I hope you never have to use it and if you do, I hope it works as good as you think it will. I for one, am not impressed with the platform, the round, or your argument. I will rely on a known quantity. All pistol rounds suck. Some (.22, .25, .32, 5.7) suck more than others. I told ya!!! :rofl: Oh and I know exactly (or as exactly as I can, not being directly involved) what happened and it had absolutely jack & s#it to do with the 5.7 round. So tell me about your scientific method and ballistics testing experience. Also, what is Doc Roberts' agenda against the 5.7 round and why did he develop this bias? Why would he test everything else correctly, but skew 5.7 data? I am intrigued... So now, the round is no better that anything else. It is the volume of fire that made the difference? So, which is it? Anyone who is trained and has a target array like he did could do what he did and probably be even more effective with a 9mm, .40, or .45. Also, please enlighten me how engaging unarmed people that are attempting to flee compares in the slightest with putting down an determined and armed attacker? It is apples to horse apples..

I am back to working weekends for the next 4 weeks , but I should be good to go in Sept!

My pleasure! We did have great weather, and the match was tons of fun. It's also always great to meet other forum members in person.

Quick rundown of small caliber PDW type ammo - 5.7 and 4.6 by Dr. Gary Roberts, arguably the number 1 guy out there today that is dealing with terminal ballistics from a gunfighting perspective. Granted this is a pistol thread and most of this write up deals with PDWs (P90/MP7). Hopefully, the realization the lack of ability of this round even with the advantages of the longer barrel/higher velocity, full auto capability and greater control afforded by a PDW vs a pistol is not overlooked. If it is this poor of a performer in a PDW, how much worse is it in a pistol? Here is the best part.... Guys that like the 5.7 platform HATE Doc. Roberts and will do everything in their power to discredit his findings with character assassination, denigration of his professions (dentist/surgeon/Naval Officer/LEO), bad science, and false claims of real world use regardless of his renown in the field of ballistics.

I can't wrap my head around how the same person wrote all 6 posts. On one hand (posts 21-23, 32 & 33) the 5.7 is a veritable death ray bringing the good word to all who are unlucky enough to have it fired at them in anger. Then in post 34 it is "nothing is guaranteed", "all pistol rounds suck", "placement over caliber", yada yada yada... ETA: Also, none of those links in his posts are active - except for those directing you to that bastion of accurate truth known as Wikipedia. Also, it looks like most of the info he posted is cut and paste from FiveseveNForums.com and some from 2008 or so. The real funny part, at least to me, is that even after all the BS in the other 5 posts, Speedkillz's last post - #34 - I agree with almost 100%.

That's funny!I had the same thought!

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Nice. You won't be disappointed. I have 3 of them. Just make sure you get a good stiff duty belt to run throug the sleeve. I REALLLLY like the First Spear, but it is expensive. The Eagle belt I linked to above works very well and is much cheaper. (SKD usually has the ATS Warbelt and Eagle belts for a good price. If they are out if stock, check ATS directly)

LOL. Yeah, we were doing a raid to get a baby fawn. I think it was Washington Twp in Gloucester County that carried the FN 5.7 as a duty gun loaded with SS109 at the time I think - maybe 6 or 8 years ago. They get a lot of deers hit by motor vehicles that need to be put down, so they would use the carcass as an impromptu ballistics lab. A head shot on the already hurt and immobile animal generally did the trick. Then a shot or two to different parts of the carcass. They found that the round had dismal penetration (just a few inches if I remember) and left a large but very shallow wound. (The "Terminal" in Terminal ballistics refers to the effects of the bullet after it strikes something at the end/terminus of its flight path. In this case "Terminal" does not refer to the rounds "death power")