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You can add the Griffin Ind blast shield to the MM Brake that is already on there. I am a big fan of their brake. Shoots very flat and soft.

Me too!

Seriously, they’ll probably send the NJSP an email asking if it’s ok to rob the bank. When told “No” they’ll send a follow up email asking “But what if I just take the amount that I currently have in savings. It’s not really stealing you see. I have that much money there already, I should be allowed to take it out if I want.”

This is bananas. A couple people in this thread know what they are talking about. Almost everyone else is trying to find loopholes in the loopholes based on conjecture, opinion, and personal wishes. BLUF: There are a couple of guiding documents from NJSP and ATF that are posted here in this very thread. They spell out how this whole thing works in our state and define what is, and is not, acceptable when dealing with this “Firearm”. It doesn’t matter if you agree with the guidance handed down from on high. It doesn’t matter what conclusion you reached “logically”. Currently, all that matters is these documents tell you what you can do to stay within the currently accepted guidelines of a specifically configured gun to be considered a “Firearm” and not a SBR, pistol, or AOW while remaining legal in the state of N.J. This is why we can’t have nice things. Also, remind me to never rob a bank with some of you guys.

If you change something in the SBFs description as it is currently defined and legal ie: overall length, removal the vert grip, add a stock, etc... you may be changing the classification of “Firearm” to something else. For some definitions of the classes you can change between classes on the same receiver/serial number, for others, once you change the classification once, you can’t go back. This applies to Rifles, Shotguns Pistols, SBR/SBS, AOWs, and Firearms. Just like you can’t build your Rem 870 Shotgun you have lying in the safe into a Tac-14 “Firearm” or if you put a stock on the Tac/14 you bought as a “firearm”, you can’t technically bring it back to “firearm” status legally.

You can put an AFG/Handstop on a pistol with no change in its definition - as per ATF. An AFG/handstop on this “Firearm” would make this a pistol - making it illegal in N.J. based on our AW laws. For ATF Definition purposes: True Vertical Grip =\= AFG or handstop

You can’t put a vertical grip on an AR pistol under 26”. That makes it an AOW. If you take the front vertical grip off, this “Firearm” becomes a pistol under the federal laws. Once it’s defined as a pistol, it violates NJ’s Assault Weapon prohibitions. If you replace the brace with a stock, it becomes a Rifle under the federal law (SBR technically) and that requires a tax stamp federally and it also violates NJ’s restrictions on Short Barreled Shotguns (NJ’s term for any short Barreled long gun) and most likely the evil features list making it an Assault Weapon in N.J. as well. There are lots of technicalities when you go down this rabbit hole. There it is again - the qualifying statement - “I could be wrong but that’s how I read it so far.” You better hope you are right. Build at your own risk.

And make sure that the lower you were using was bought as a “firearm” and had never been built into a pistol or rifle previously. Has anyone tried building a Black Aces shotgun or a Tac-14 or Shockwave themselves? They have the same restrictions on the status of the receiver being pristine prior to being built.

Fair enough - You are right. That is a different conversation - but it was a point brought up by someone else, not me or Blksheep. But my post wasn’t just for MM’s benefit, but for Troy’s and DS’s as well. DS threw some good knowledge out there about these SBFs and people just dismissed it out of hand. And this isn’t just an observation related to this particular thread, but a trend I have picked up on lately across our whole board. And they may have not cracked the ATF code on this, but they each - Troy, DS and MM - played a part in spearheading the push here in NJ. They asked the questions. They got the answers. They built the firearms and offered them for sale.

Agreed Blksheep! But hey, what do we know?

You know, I’m reading through this thread again and I find it kind of funny. Everyone wants to build their own SBF. Everyone thinks that Troy and Dark Storm and MM are ripping consumers off... Yet everyone has all these questions and no one knows what they can and can’t do. Can I do it like this? Is a receiver a rifle or a pistol or something else? How long does this part have to be? How about that part? What’s Identical vs similar? Can I use a flash hider? What does the NJSP say? I mean the ATF? I mean both. And on and on and on..... 6 pages now of questions and bellyaching. These companies cracked the code and came up with a product that everyone wants, but no one wants to pay for the work they put in to get these products to market and everyone wants their knowledge for free. When the company tries to share the guidance they received, the members get shitty and accuse them of being secretive, or wrong, or worse - liars. Unreal. What is this Arfcom? They pushed almost all of their stock on hand out to dealers. That’s why I didn’t buy one yet. Call around and see who has what.

https://modernmateriel.com/product/modmat-sbf/

https://modernmateriel.com/product-category/modmat15/ $1295 on their website.

I checked out the Modern Materiél SBF on my way home on Friday. It’s awesome! I’m really excited they did this and the fact they they are based in N.J. - to me - is even better. I checked out the parts list - It’s quality stuff. You may save some money building your own, but you’d have to use inferior parts and look for sales on shipping. Personally, the juice just isn’t worth the squeeze to build one. I’m going to buy one from MM ASAP. Then not only do I get the SBF but I also get the support of the company and their warranty, and there is no confusion of how it was built, where it came from, or if I’m outside the parameters of the current rules.

When I worked for the Army Corp of Engineers - 1993-1998, one of my old-timer surveyors drove a hearse. He loved it. Held all his work stuff, and he could nap in the back.

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Jason - you are looking for hardware solutions to a software problem. Buy a reliable gun chambered in a duty caliber that feels comfortable in your hands. Then buy a shit-ton of ammo and learn how to shoot under the watchful eye of a reputable instructor. Then buy more ammo and practice what you learned in training. Rinse and repeat. There are no hardware shortcuts. An optic will not make you a better shooter or speed up how fast you become proficient with your chosen tool. You need to develop your software - your mind - through repetitive and often demoralizing training. You have to learn what you don’t know that you don’t know. Newsflash - guns are loud. They recoil. They spit fire. The only way to overcome This is to inoculate yourself to it through familiarization. Every members here shoots. All of our guns recoil and are loud and have muzzle flash. We all overcame it and you will too. And anyway - Honestly, the noise and the fire and the recoil is what makes it fun....

Yup! He’s the best.

Yes. They are based in Keyport NJ. They will be manufacturing and selling them right here in the Garden State.

Zia Lisa in Edison makes the best Grandma Pie in the world. Absolutely to die for. Tex, next time you are commuting through my area at lunch time, I will take you.

Local manufacturer has been working on one of these for a while. Looks like they have the OK to start manufacturing and selling these. I believe it’s a little shorter than the Troy and Dark Storm offering and these will be built around Ballistic Advantage barrels.

No silly, the guy in white is the Coastie.

Maks, your putting out dubious info based on a frame of reference that isn’t universal. Pistol RDS are not a crutch and are nothing like a laser in their use. Would you agree a RDS is an advantage over iron sights on a long gun? It’s the same advantage on a pistol. Just like on a long gun - the benefit of the RDS on a pistol is it gives you a single aiming plane and lets you remain target focused. You have 1 plane to focus on with a RDS - dot on target vs 3 distinct planes to line up - rear sight, front sight, target - with irons. Like iron sights, you do need to practice. With practice there is no wasted time searching for the dot. Look at shooters like JJ Racaza’s and other big comp shooters times and compare their iron sights times to their RDS gun times and see what shakes. Look at instructors like Scott Jedlinski of Moders Samurai or Aaron Cowan of Sage Dynamics and see what they are capable of with a RDS pistol and tell me it’s a “crutch”. I’ve taken classes with Scott - it isn’t a crutch. The RDS is absolutely a force multiplier for him regardless of the distance. You've been to steel matches. You know the stage with 5 big plates up close. How many people still miss? In my experience a lot miss - Because they either go too fast, have bad trigger control, don’t use their sights, or some combo of the above. When they miss, I sometimes ask if they knew they missed. The ones that use sights can call their misses - That means it was a trigger or speed issue. The ones that have no idea where there misses went, didn’t use their sights and therefore can’t correct on the next target or next run. Yes the SIRT is a great tool - if you use it correctly. It’s designed to use the sights and the laser checks your work. If you are target focused and looking only for the downrange laser “hit” are training bad habits. Personally, I always use my sights - even at close distance. It’s the only way to check your work. And since a fast miss does jack and shit, I’d rather take a few 100ths of a second and make sure I’m lined up. Run a Guerrilla Approach Consistency Drill: https://guerrillaapproach.com/product/consistency-target-free/ Directions are in the top right corner. You shoot it at 3 yards - nice and close. Try to run it clean with sights at speed. Then try it without sights using “point shooting”. If you have an RDS pistol, try it with that. Compare and contrast - not just times, but accuracy and your ability to make corrections when you miss. Notice how you can correct your shots when using sights - because you have a reference. When looking over your sights, you can’t correctly adjust to fix your previous miss and get a hit on the next dot. With practice the RDS makes it even easier to make these corrections.

No. It can’t have ever have had any kind of stock. Then it would be an SBR. And you can’t remove the forward grip, that would make it a pistol.