SpacemanFry

God damn, I really have to move to Texas.

Man, I need to find a place like this to live in...

I was just commenting to my wife the other day how many medications advertised on TV (even ones that are supposed to be for non mind altering purposes) have "thoughts of suicide" as a possible side effect. Once I started noticing that I'm finding I notice it more and more. There is something quite disturbing about that. There was an article in Wired or PopSci (I'll try to find the exact article) a few years back about the rise of anti-depressants and other mood altering drugs back in the 70s/80s and how prozac was hailed a wonder drug then but now after a few decades of more research they are finding that often more harm is being done with these drugs than good. The gist of the article was basically that people's brains become dependent on it and whereas before starting these drugs they were fine but maybe a little anxious after being on them for a while if they stop they completely fall apart. I gotta find this article, it was a good one...

Of course it's contrived. They're printing this under the guise of showing "reasonable gun owners". Feinstein is a gun owner too, doesn't make her any less anti-2A.

Indeed, I would even argue some of the strongest supporters of 2A (and whole Constitution in general) are immigrants.

If there only 37 people why was registration closed so early saying it was full?

You think that as a law professor he'd understand the fact that there is a well proven mechanism to amending the constitution. If he really thinks it doesn't reflect modern times and so many people agree with him then he should go ahead and have his buddies in congress start amendment procedures. I'm always flabbergasted by the ignorance in the normal population when they say stupid crap like "Constitution is outdated" etc, but it's even worse coming from an actual law professor. What these people really mean is that they want to be able to jam down our throats what "they" think is best without pesky "restrictions" like 2/3 majority and ratifications.

I hope he goes direct to customer. I'd like to be able to order large quantities of a popular round directly from factory and get the discount for the large order. Even before the current ammo craziness I was willing to order bulk to save money and now even more so.

Anybody wanna band together and buy/make an ammunition plant?

Because compared to some other 22 ammos it's dirtier and some have had problems with it in their 22 pistols. Then again, if it works for you and it's at a good price keep using it.

I think that's one of the things that's always shocked me, even in people that have a very good knowledge of history, the belief that somehow we're immune to the forces of corruption and tyranny. I used to get into a lot of arguments with people in the early 00s about the patriot act, spying on citizens and the whole push for national IDs and tracking databases, where people were always saying how I'm paranoid and if I have nothing to hide why am I worried etc. I guess since my family was heavily persecuted behind the Iron Curtain (both my grandfathers were imprisoned for speaking out against Communism and USSR in the early days) I grew up with a huge distrust of big government. People in the US have been so sheltered for so long they can't even comprehend what has happened and is happening in other countries.

That's part of the problem, the staunchest politicians that are antis realize we never voted for them or ever will so they don't care as much. Dunno if it helps any, but usually for those I like to tell them that I will not only vote against them if they support the bills but financially support his opponents in both primaries and general election.

Ok, you're right. In the grand scheme of things if say the gov were to give them certain tax breaks or incentives it would offset normal losses at a show. Here's hoping the backlash and increased scrutiny over this will hurt prevent that from happening.

Yes it is a huge international corporation, but it did not behave as such in this instance. If it had behaved like a corporation all it would have cared about was money and you'd have to be mentally retarded to think banning a whole type of weapons at a convention associated with hunting and outdoors, especially in today's gun control happy climate, was going to make them more money. This was purely a "political" decision by somebody (or group of somebodies) in the company who should have gotten fired shortly after the decision was made since even without a huge backlash it was still going to cost the event some money. There is no logical thought process that gets from "let's piss off X% of the clientele of this show" to "we'll make more money from this decision".

What's amazing to me in their press release is how they still do not get it: I have to wonder, is the management at this place on crack or something? Instead of acknowledging they screwed up and rectifying the problem they keep on bulling through with the "it's not us it's a small percentage of people". No 2A related show should ever use this company again (I'm looking at you Shot Show).

Good god... I haven't looked for ammo in a few months and I just looked and the current prices are insane, assuming you can find any in stock. Shit I hope my current stock will last until prices normalize.

It's also important to get number for the rest of the homicides and other crimes. We must not play just the antis game of talking about firearm related homicides when we should be talking about homicides and crime in general regardless of the weapon or method used.

Check under the Harrisburg ESOS entry: http://www.savagearms.com/news/events/ It's official.

Jamie Gray pulled out! Nice job.

NRA already pulled out. Updated list is here: http://www.newjerseyhunter.com/article143446.htm

Holy crap, that list is huge. It's awesome so many are willing to stand up for 2A and boycott the show.

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Next time tell them that as a prerequisite for coming over they must read http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp before dinner. Or one of the other factual websites out there on gun control.

There have been several times in the last few weeks (and certainly more over the years) where people looked at me with immense disbelief when I said that crime rates have been dropping steadily since the early 90s. Most people take the 24hr news recycling and sensationalism of violence to mean that crime is at an unprecedented high. It also makes them easier to dupe into believing that "we must do something to end <XXXXX>" whatever that may be for the current political agenda. Usually when I point these people to the FBI crime statistics they almost instantly become more jaded of the "news" and that's a good thing for us.

Yes this a public forum and as such it's indexed by all the search engines. I would wager most users here found the forums by googling some NJ gun question.