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This is from NRA email blast I received yesterday: New Jersey: Assembly Committee Puts Hold on Ammo Ban Legislation and More Thanks to the overwhelming number of phone calls and e-mails from dedicated NRA members, the New Jersey Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee decided to hold Assembly Bill 588 for further study. While this fight is not over, this is a big win for gun owners in the Garden State. During Monday’s hearing, Assembly Bill 1013 passed in the Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee with amendments that attempt to address gun owner concerns and has been referred to the Assembly Appropriations Committee where further amendments may occur. Law-abiding gun owners can breathe a sigh of relief due to A588 being held for further study by the Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee. Sponsored by Assemblyman L. Grace Spencer (D-29), A588 has been confused for police safety legislation aimed at armor-piercing ammunition (which is already prohibited under federal and state law). This measure actually would have opened the door to a sweeping ammunition ban by an unelected public official by executive fiat. Common hunting, target, and self-defense ammunition would have been subject to ban by the Attorney General, along with BB's, airgun pellets, and non-metallic ammunition like plastic airsoft pellets, if he determined that they pose a threat to the safety and well being of law enforcement. Although A588 only mentions handgun ammunition, it is in fact not limited to handgun ammunition, and would have applied to all rifle ammunition for which a handgun is ever made. As an increasing number of gun manufacturers make handgun models that shoot rifle caliber ammunition, the line between "handgun” vs. "rifle” ammunition has become blurred, and the New Jersey State Police have already begun treating rifle ammunition in this category as if it were handgun ammunition for regulatory purposes. As long as a handgun exists that shoots a particular caliber of rifle ammunition, New Jersey treats that ammunition as if it were handgun ammunition. The Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee did pass A1013 with amendments that attempt to address gun owner concerns. This legislation will now head to the New Jersey Assembly Committee on Appropriations. A1013, sponsored by Assemblyman Charles Mainor (D-31), would criminalize the use of a defaced or stolen firearm that is used to injure a police officer and enhances penalties for defacing a firearm. One provision of this police safety legislation significantly increases the penalties relating to "defaced” firearms. Because of New Jersey's longstanding poorly-crafted definition of "defaced” firearms, it is possible that refinishing a firearm, or long-term damage from rust or scratches from ordinary wear and tear, could be deemed "defacement” subjecting honest gun owners to lengthy prison sentences, even though identifying information on the firearm is still legible. We would like to thank all of the NRA members who voiced their opposition to A588 and A1013. Please continue to check your e-mail and www.NRAILA.org for more updates on A588 and A1013.

That may be true and regardless of what you think of Public Workers at least they let their reps know. IMO I think too many gun owners now just sit on sidelines after getting burned twice on the AWB. OK then, you want to talk about voting? Let us review, Florio and his cronies past the AWB. Many of his cronies get booted out on next election. Assembly with new members pass bill to override AWB and passes Assembly. Phase 2, Bill to override AWB then goes to Senate with support of Senate and Veto Proof majority from Florio however Senate President Donald DiFrancesco does not put bill to vote, bill dies on floor. I still would like to know why that happened???? Next Governor Florio lost bid for reelection which BTW was the first time a sitting NJ governor was ever bounced from office. Again, this is just my opinion I believe many Pro Gun people along with pissed off Taxpayers sh*t canned Florio. So the moral of the story is yes we tossed Florio and his cronies but there damage still remains. The key in my view is we must stop the damage before it gains momentum. Once these clowns pass these BS laws it is impossible to undo based on past practice. Also lets be fair, the NRA was fully engaged during the AWB however that is no longer the case. As you said in you last paragraph we need to be engaged.

OT but IIRC a few years ago she tried to push another bill though that would have given inmates the right to vote. So you could see where she is coming from. And not that long ago she did an anti-gun editorial in the Trentonain, I don’t even remember what is was other than the usual BS…. 15, here’s Watson’s info

With the exception any typos I’d don’t know how else to say it.... The point is if you don’t like what they are doing in Trenton do something. FAX, email, call or carrier pigeon but let Trenton know. Thanks for your efforts there G ! For those that are interested this is how it happens so there still may be hope to kill it

I'm either going to leave it as is or find someone that's completed the job for NJGF members who are happy with the end result. I remeber seeing a post here(with image) not too long along where brake was welded on and the weld was poorly done and filled with holes, I don't want that...

Unfortunately for most of us the NRA is the only game in town or at least the best known. I don’t make allot of money but I did write some checks for the NRA several times during the 80’s AWB opposition. After the AWB passed they packed their bags and closed up shop here in NJ so I dropped out. Then within the last 3 - 4 years I wanted to get back into shooting so I rejoined the NRA around that same time. Here in NJ we had a chance here to get CCW and that is why I joined this forum however those efforts were torpedoed by the Anti’s as well. It is unbelievable to me that I have non-residents carry permits but I can’t get one for my home state. I figured this forum would be grass roots and some things might get accomplished here with regards to NJ RKBA but this topic isn’t getting any traction so if the members can't even send a prefab email why should they care about anything else? I contacted the NRA about the CCW issues a few times and my last emails were not answered however they keep sending me NRA-ILA donations requests and now membership renewals.. I have mixed feelings about dropping them but if they can't even return a simply email or call why bother keeping up my membership. If I want a cheesy pen knife I’ll go to Harbor Freight. One could argue it is for the greater good, like yourself you don't even live here and you have done more then the other 2900 members (giving the rest the benfit of doubt). Anyway the NRA walked out of us. One of three things is going to happen. The desired result where any newly proposed gun laws gets shot down, or NJ gun owners will need to move if they want to maintain ownership of their possessions or the state is going to turn all legal gun owners into outlaws with the stroke of a pen. No matter what happens Thank You for your efforts!

No problem, correct no threads. FYI some of the guys here helped with me with the Saiga conversion but for the brake I think I’m going to farm this one out....

I suggest you go back and re-read what you omitted in your quote. you left out the part where I asked about welding the bolt on system but I guess if you quoted the entire post you would have no joke. So what you are saying is if I tig-welded the bolt system that’s also illegal, or you don’t know? Again my intent (at this point) is NOT to thread it, got it? If you are trying to help thank you, but if you just looking to drop old punch lines please move on.. Thank Vladtepes & Glenn, I will look into it and pricing. Someone else metioned a "pressure mounted system" on other site, any thoughts of that? I just don't want a hack-job and this is something that don't need to be done right away. Just looking for my best options

Just received the other emails replies... OK then the Bolt-on is not recommended. I just don’t like the fact that it has to be welded on top of the threads. IMO that kind of defeats the purpose of the having threads just so I could satisfy some goofy NJ reg. I think I’d rather bolt on brake then tig weld the seam if it gets loose as stated above then it's not going anywhere... so essentially it would be joined to itself that way I could grind that off if I want to remove it.

Thanks for the reply back; it is brand new and only the front sight is there now. The sights appears to be pinned in two locations. So Bolt-on is OK because I have no threads correct?

Anyone know off hand if this is NJ Legal? http://store.carolin...il?sfs=4b7bb01c I'd like to get on for my 308 so I don't have to hire someone to hack-up my barrel up just to pacify NJ laws. I know there is a whole deal if you go the threaded route that it must be welded to and pass an x-ray quality test for the weld. Just kidding about the x-ray, maybe the new AG will require that next.... Anyway I would like to do bolt on.... thoughts? TIA

In case you missed it candidate CC is already on the record saying he was in favor for gun control, this was stated by CC on interview with Hannity on FoxNews. IMO Rights and/or Liberties don’t seem to be real high on CC’s agenda, but I hope I’m wrong. I can’t speak for you but I think you are saying you are amazed at the lack of support here… I’m new here but not new to firearms or watching this battles. I fought as an NRA member against the AWB back in the 80’s when everyone said that would never happen here, we know how that turned out. I spoke to an NRA rep a few months ago about the CCW issue and she basically she the NRA has given up on NJ, that doesn’t mean we have to give up. I joined NJGF because I thought there would be a little more passion aimed at derailing these types of efforts vs. other forums that aren’t state specific but I guess I’m wrong. Below are the forum stats: 288,404 Total Posts 3,008 Total Members z2886 Newest Member 236 Most Online So to review 7 members currently following this topic out of 3008, sorry but that’s pathetic. A fellow concerned member even writes the rebuttal and all people have to do is cut & paste it into an email and they won’t even do that. It shouldn’t be too much of a mystery why we are losing. End of story....

For lack of a better term, it is what is it is. Again this is what they do when they don't know what else to do. The state is broke and they come up with this stuff to make it look like they are doing something, it’s a diversion. It’s totally mindboggling to me that they create BS laws that only affects law abiding citizens. You said it yourself; bad guys don’t care these laws. For bad guys these laws are like an earring on a hooker, it means nothing. As you could see it's mostly all Dems which is their MO, not that the R's are any better. We don't have Gun problems we have crime problems. The two bills mentioned above are nothing more than feel-good legislation for bureaucrats and legislators. The people of this state are too busy watching Jersey Shore and American Idol instead of watching their rights slip away. For those that don't know the New Jersey state motto is "Liberty and Prosperity", we have neither, we have a broke Nanny State. Any further purposed gun law bills should never see the light of day in this state, we have enough laws.

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@ Cemeterys Gun Blob- Thanks for getting our much need attention on this! @ Silent Service - Thanks for the template, I started writing my own but it was too harsh so went with yours. @ Midwest - you are a True Patriot ! To ALL that sent email and called, or plan to call Thank you! BTW- I received the bounce back from Kean as well Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients: Recipient address: [email protected] Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address Diagnostic code: smtp;551 5.1.1 user does not exist Remote system: dns;mail.njleg.org (TCP|206.46.173.1|50636|12.107.80.86|25) (********************************)

I have to be honest, never heard of the Five-seveN but just did a quick search and found this

This is what they do when they are clueless about everything else in the state. Having watched and fought against the AWB hopefully no one will ever say this will never happen. As much as I like to agree with Post 5 people will be watching this one. If CC jumps onboard with this maybe people will finally realize that he shouldn’t be the golden boy of the Republican Party people make him out to be. His Crony Mitt Romney said it a debate a week or two ago when asked about imposing new gun laws if he became president that he would not impose new laws and his administration would simply enforce the existing ones. My hope is CC doesn’t endorse any of this and follows Mitt’s lead and says we have enough laws, but that’s only my hope. CC should realize that many 2A people probably put him where he is. What’s even more discouraging is the lack of replies to this post and the post cited above. Come on people at least cut & paste the sample email from reply #12 (and do a little editing to make it yours) and send it off to those email addresses, we might actually stop something

@ vladtepes – OK then I’ll take a look at other bipods, I want something functional that’s not clunky. I’ll keep looking

I dislike that I have to even ask this but here goes… Does anyone know off hand if we (as NJ residents) are legally permitted to have the vertical grip attached to the hand guard? The reason I’m asking is I like to get one with the built-in bipod. I’ve seen them in other forums but don’t want to peruse it if we can’t have them. I think with the bipod it would be helpful at the range. Got to love NJ, it is like living in another country TIA

that exactly right, they are great rifles right out of the box but it would have been very hard to leave it that way after seeing the transformation of the 223. Now I have a new concern, see below Excellent point. EDIT: removed comments about tightness re-installing bolt assembly. I oiled the slots where the bolt assembly drops in and it seemed to have helped. Looking back even the dust cover and aftermarket mags are tight on the 308. Once the bolt assembly is it place everything works smoothly, there is no binding and the action is nice and quick so it had to be that way even prior to the conversion. I think it just needs more range time and lube to break-in, it was very dry so I’ll write this off as a false alarm. I hope to get out to the range soon; the trigger job alone should get me some better results

@ vladtepes, you would be correct. it’s like the difference between a Porsche and old Chevy. Just want to add that I'm glad I did the 223 first, it was a little easier. As you know the 308 some added steps with the extra grinding on the hammer and locating your rear trigger hole. The web guide says 2.5 inches from rear, that may be true for the 7.62 x 39 but that is incorrect for the 308. I used the old trigger guard with Grip mounted to locate the new hole, it was closer to 2.29”. Anyway neither is a big deal since I had the experience of doing the 223 first so I knew my way around a little. Had I did the 308 first it would have been a more of a struggle for me. I didn't have to grind the safety on the 308 as it was needed on the 223 so I guess they are all a little different. Thanks for your help!

as long as it takes UPS to get here Here I’m saying I'm was going to keep the 308 original , yea right . Once I held the 223 after the conversion it was a done deal.

We heard about this last year but didn't realize how easy it is to do until we seen this...