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The reason We the People are so afraid of this nonsense is due to the fact that we have not banded together and trained as militias as we were instructed to by the Founding Fathers of this Nation. We do not hold the Governor's of our States responsible for their role in nurturing those militias for the defense of the State by the People. Why do we always talk about gun owners but never about the militia??

NY was already WAY below NJ on the freedom scale........

That's some interesting logic...... I really don't know too much about the story, but it sounds like that disassociated themselves from knowledge of the individual, not so sure about defending him. So, in essence, what you're saying is, any organization that has had a bad apple, or 2 needs to be dismissed. So we ought not to associate with any Catholics then? Or Muslims? I'm sure I could go on. AND I appreciate you pointing out the fact that the U.S. gov. seeks to disenfranchise individuals who actually wish to uphold their vow to defend the Constitution. That should be a pretty clear indicator that we are NOT on stable ground.

Here's a guy who's using his office and his oath for some serious good. It's a long listen, but this is amazing: http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2013/01/10/police-chief-seeks-nullification-of-unconstitutional-gun-control/

I can't view the file on photobucket through the firewall so I have no idea what it looks like. I posted a pdf in the "gun laws" section at http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/45060-more-worried-about-nj-restricting-our-gun-rights-the-i-am-of-the-feds/page__st__30 that I'm gonna be printing out and going to some local gun shops with. Mattio41...can you post yours as a pdf?? Thanks.

I read that there are people that don't know the rally is happening. I'm by NO means a graphic artist, and I just threw this file together, but until someone out there with real talent puts something together, I'm going to laminate this and post it at the local shops. Please do the same. If there's a better flyer out there that I missed, please let me know and I'm sorry. Update: Just saw that mattio41 posted one on photobucket further back in the thread, but I can't get to it through the firewall here. Rally.pdf

hmmmm......let's see. If you could legally grow weed in your backyard.....why would there be cartels? Oh, that's right, they wouldn't have any money, hence, no power......just like the gangs. The mob would still find ways to make money though

Don't want to trainwreck the thread, but for me, this opinion already did. I find it humorous that this is a firearms forum and you're agreeing that the government "should" be imprisoning your "free fellow citizens" for doing something as simple as carrying some drugs. Did he hurt or kill anyone with them? Again, rhetorical. Not really looking for an answer. Laws against citizens only empower the government against the People. The war on drugs is no exception. Maybe we can try to stop bashing our fellow citizens for victimless crimes and keep the conversation here on guns......................just sayin.

I may be new relatively new to the forum, but I've been around this subject for quite a while now and I don't take offense to the comments here, though I appreciate the defense. I had my first concealed carry experience about 8 years ago in PA when I wore my gun into the Cabela's. I was so scared. I felt like everyone was watching me even though it was concealed. Since then, I've trained dozens of people, and helped many of them get their Florida CCW licenses. I look at these discussions as growing pains. Most people in NJ are fearful, and with good reason, but we need to help each other if we're ever going to get out of this mess. My girlfriend may be like most every other chick out there and want attention (and who doesn't love some attention?), but I don't think we did this to draw attention to us, per se.....we did this to educate Americans about the rights they have and don't use. We want attention for the average American who has NO clue what their rights are to say, "Wow!!! Can I do that??" I'd much rather you find this experience a source of inspiration so that all of us can help each other out of this mess (especially in NJ) than to get whatever little bit of attention we get for ourselves. I'd like to relate a little story. I work in a building with about 2000 people. Many of them are NJ gun owners. Most of them had worked with each other for about 25 years when I got here. Most of them didn't know that their cubical mates of 25 years were also an NJ gun owners. Then came me. The guy that just loves to talk about guns and rights. Now most everybody in the building talks about guns. When I was told by my immediate supervisor to take down my NRA Gun Safety Rules (which I disagree with btw...) I just flat-out refused. Several years later, I still haven't lost my job, and now, most of the guys in my department are new gun owners. If I really want attention, why do I spend so much of my time giving to other people? In fact, just this moment I got back from the range, donating my time and my pistols to a workmate so that he can make a more informed choice when he and his wife go to buy his their first pistols ever. And he's a good deal older than me, and has been shooting since I was born. So, I'll let everybody else spend their time on these forums, arguing until the end of time whether it's better to OC or CC or crossdraw or whatever. I'll continue to spend MY time helping others with their paperwork to get FIDs, CCWs, handle a firearm for the first time in a safe manner, shoot better, make wise purchases, and point them to fine organizations like NJ2AS and SAF (and help THOSE organizations with my time and money as I can). Again, thank you for the defending statements, and no offense taken from the detractors. If anyone really feels the need to argue with me, my email is clearly posted. I hope we can stop arguing over the little stuff and spend time on the big stuff. Let's get Americans carrying guns!!

This is a bulldog holster worn as a cross-draw. Just like a shoulder rig, it's a bit impractical to wear a 6" revolver on the strong-hand side and pull it out ergonomically without contortion unless it's slung low. She's a righty. Just do an google search (image or otherwise) for "crossdraw" and you'll see it's fairly common. The holster has a belt clip, and in this case is just hanging from her daisy dukes. Nobody seemed to have a problem looking at her, so the looks were definitely based on the gun. BTW, when I was carrying my XD on the strong side, and she wasn't carrying anything, nobody gave a second glance and probably just assumed I was a cop. SHE obviously likes attention, and so SHE wanted to wear the pistol that would stand out the most and found it to be most comfortable worn in that configuration. Since there was nothing to conceal....why not go for obviousness AND comfort??

I originally posted this on opencarry.org, since it seemed the most appropriate place to share it, but being from NJ, I wanted to share it with my fellow subjects (not citizens, for we don't deserve the title given what we put up with). Anyway, here's what I posted regarding the first time I decided to open-carry, and the first time my girlfriend EVER carried. I hope you enjoy the story, and I encourage ALL of you to experience open-carrying ASAP. You don't have to go far...PA is close. Not expounded upon in what I'm pasting here, we plan on open-carrying at some point in the near future in PA, and I would love to encourage anyone here with the right attitude to join us. I'm planning on starting another thread in the "Events and Meetups" to discuss a "field trip" to PA. Expand your mind, expand our cause, go and experience open carry. Original post from opencarry.....enjoy!: Last week, my girlfriend and I visited Yellowstone National Park, and decided to open carry through most of the trip. We mostly did the touristy stuff, but went on a hike or two on some trails. Being from NJ, it was very liberating for us to be able to open-carry. I've had my concealed carry license from FL for about 7 years and have carried concealed many times in various places, but have never taken advantage of open-carrying. My girlfriend, a special ed teacher, and until recently an anti-gunner, is now FULL supporter of our right to keep and bear arms and just LOVED carrying a 6 inch stainless Ruger GP100 in public. She attracts enough attention on her own, but with a cowgirl hat and a 6-shooter on her side, you can bet EVERYONE was looking. We did the research, and it's pretty obvious our lives weren't in any immediate danger from other park-goer's and we realize that the chances of being attacked by an animal are slim, and we realize that a pistol isn't the best defense against a grizzly, so did we REALLY need to carry firearms?? No, of course not. But boy did it feel liberating and patriotic. So why did we do it? First of all, BECAUSE WE COULD. Considering we can't carry freely in NJ, it's nice to take advantage of it when we can. We also wanted to open people's minds to the fact that we mortals can do such things. Many folks were foreigners, and we have no idea what their thoughts were, but we're hoping that it makes them realize what we have that they don't. As far as Americans go, we're hoping that many went home and researched what their rights are. We were smiling, friendly, and said hello to everyone we saw. Not ONE negative thing was said to us. We got every sort of look imaginable, but it was so beautiful to see so many parents of young children see that we were armed and let their youngsters freely walk past us KNOWING that we weren't a threat. Very few people said anything to us. One young couple saw our pistols and revealed that the man was carrying concealed. We suggested they carry openly also, simply for the educational value for others. Another man asked what was required to carry open there. We explained the laws and he told us he was going to be carrying ASAP!! Would I want to carry open in East Orange, NJ? Probably not. But given the family atmosphere of the park, it was so nice to be treated so nicely, even by the park ranger inspecting our campsite at 11pm. I had a question for him, approached him in the dark, lit only by his flashlight, openly carrying, and we had a calm, wonderful discussion. Go figure that HE was originally from NJ too (Oakland). ALL police should be as respectful and non-intrusive as the park rangers at Yellowstone. Model law enforcement if you ask me. I encourage everyone to carry as often as possible and openly if you are brave enough. My girlfriend and I plan on carrying openly as soon as possible again in order to educate Americans as to their rights. We're considering doing so in PA since it's the closest place we can do so legally. Maybe once she gets her license from FL, we'll even do it in Philly, right in front of such historic places as the house where the Declaration of Independence was penned by Jefferson, and by Franklins' grave!! Please feel free to contact me with any questions you may have regarding our experience. You may reach me at [email protected]

I do apologize if this topic has been discussed before. If anyone has any knowledge of these laws, please let me know. If there are no answers to be found here, I may ask Nappen what the store is with this. I was perusing the NJ firearm statutes tonight and noticed something regarding the continued validity of an FID. Under 2C:58-3 section f it states: "A firearms purchaser identification card shall be valid until such time as the holder becomes subject to any of the disabilities set forth in subsection c. of this section, whereupon the card shall be void and shall be returned within five days by the holder to the superintendent, who shall then advise the licensing authority." I find nothing that ties this validity to the address on your driver's license. So, why then when we go to use our FID do they check it against our driver's license address, and why, then, do we have to get an FID updated when we move?

I'll give you some information about Shongum, and you can ask questions if it's not enough. First of all, let me say that while Shongum has 700+ members....you'd never know it most of the time. Unless there's an event going on, you pretty much will have the place to yourself. The wait list to get in is pretty long and takes a while to get through, though you can go as another member's guest. Speaking of guests, Shongum has a VERY generous guest policy. They ask that you not bring the same person as a guest more than twice in a year (this of course does not include your family members who are always welcome to attend with you). As a general rule, the range is VERY generous in all of its rules. As long as nobody abuses the rules, I assume they'll stay as is. It's by far one of the most laid-back ranges I've ever been to, though that's NOT to say that anything goes. There is a fine gentleman who lives at the range and keeps a close eye on all of the operations. As long as you are following the rules, you will hardly know he's there. Shongum has an outdoor 100 yard rifle range (though I sure wish it were 200) with probably 16 shooting positions (or so). There is an outdoor pistol range that could accommodate up to 8 shooters (or more), though I've never seen more than 4 at a time. There are 4 trap houses. There are plenty of events that you can attend without being a member also. IPSC, trap, high power rifle, and cowboy action shooting come to mind. There is an indoor range which can probably accommodate 14 or 15 shooters, though again, except for pistol classes, I've never seen more than 10 active shooters, and even that's rare. The clubhouse is cozy with a fireplace (gas) and a few couches, and a full kitchen if you felt like cooking up lunch or dinner for your crew. There are a few tables for classes and discussions. This place is in the middle of nowhere in Warren County. I will say this....there are a few drawbacks to the indoor range. There is no way to control the position of the targets, so all shooting must be done from the same distance by all shooters. If you walk in and the line is set up with shooters @ 50ft, you will be shooting at 50ft. If the shooters are @ 7yds, you will be at 7 yds. First come, first to set the distance. I assume anyone there may be willing to reconsider, but I've seen quite a few shooters using it for .22 rifle and so will have it set at 50ft. The other MAJOR drawback of the indoor range is the fact that it is one big open room. As such, the entire space becomes the ventilation system. That being said........it gets COLD in the there in the winter and DOES NOT WARM UP MUCH AT ALL. Let me repeat that.............COLD!!!!!!! You can rest assured it'll be just about as cold inside the indoor range as it is outside except the only wind chill is that which is set up by the vent system, and there's no snow on the ground. However, there's no sun either, so it may actually be warmer OUTSIDE than the indoor range on a nice sunny winter day. All in all it's a great place. I've been a member for 3+ years and at this point, I wouldn't trade it for anything. Another plus.....you just can't beat the people. In general, I find shooters to be about the nicest people on the planet, and Shongum is no exception. I hope this helps anyone interested in learning more about Shongum. If I missed anything or you disagree with a statement I've made, feel free to let me know.