Malice4you

If they have to do exactly the same things as they did when you buy a gun through gunbroker, except don't have to unpack it, why would they charge significantly less? They have to log it according to ATF, so time, effort, and expenses are still incurred. Am I happy about it? Of course not. But when transfers take away time from paying customers, I don't expect any freebies. If someone local did it for $20 all-in, I would be more likely to go there, but not faulting a dealer for the shitty situation forced on all of us. Based on everything we see, there are likely dozens of unknowingly illegal transfers by otherwise law-abiding subjects going on every day anyway. And I hope non-compliance is high among the clued-in as well.

Anyone have issues if I bring a camera? And I don't think I noticed, anyone bringing either a Glock 20 10mm or FN Five-seveN pistol? If so, can I pay you for 5-10 rounds to run through em?

I was there the last 2 rallys. Took pictures and met a bunch of members from here. Im not planning on giving up, but this state is pretty damn hopeless when it comes to guns, especially when only 1-2000 show up for rallys...and nothing pro is even a blip on our radars. I am curious how aggressively the state will go after the clueless thousands who are unknowingly going to be felons in December. Meanwhile, thousands of us who do know are forced to spend significant money replacing or modifying our previously legal and already unusual and expensive magazines for a feel-good law that doesn't even grandfather anything, while waiting/hoping for a hail mary at the last second.

Because too many gun owners in this state are self centered, don't care, fudds, rinos, leaving NJ, too far away, don't want anyone to know they have guns, etc etc etc. What percentage of gun owners in NJ have either one gun theyve shot once ever for home defence, and/or what percentage are fudds who don't care long as their wood shotguns/rifles are not affected? Furthermore, what percentage of people in this state do not even know they are less than 2 months away from being felons in NJ because of their 15 rd mags? This place, a few facebook groups, nj hunters forum, reddit nj guns, and maybe a few small other groups are likely the main NJ gun community, and even then it is all fractured because of infighting. NJ does not have a pro gun mentality. Then organizing those people is like herding cats. Getting 8000 people who work and are responsible and have lives will take serious dedication and effort and results will still likely be subpar.

Having recently read about the "fruity ghost" homemade epoxy? lowers, I do wonder if anyone has successfully converted one into money at one of these. I genuinely hope they have, and have been able to make a profit off these bullshit buybacks. Or if $4 worth of parts from home depot is enough to get money, and someone has brought in an armful of homemade liberators and walked out with enough to buy a nice 1911. Hope there are lots gaming the system...

Having been to the last 2 rallys, these "thousands" would be hard to pull off. With months of prep, and lots of volunteers and money, maybe thousands are possible, but then again, any time any organization does something, someone is still unhappy. "You ignored the collectors!" "You didn't burn an effigy of ___politician!" "I didn't get a shirt!" "There wasn't any catering!" "You did X, I'm an expert and you shoulda done Y." "You should have held it on [any other day]" "I didn't actually do shit, and sat home, because nothing ever gets done in NJ, but that's not about to stop me from bitching about everything you volunteers did wrong!"

Based on the list, I'm thinking I'll bring... Handguns: Sig Pro 2022 9mm Ruger LC9S Pro 9mm S&W 22A 5.5" heavy barrel .22LR Any interest in a Glock 23 gen4 .40 S&W? Rifles: GSG 522 SD .22LR HV (CCI Minimag) Any interest in a WASR10 7.62x39? I'm not sure how much ammo I have to spare for any of the above, so if you'd like to shoot any of em, best to bring some. I don't care how much you shoot...

Hope OP meant like doing a trust in PA or somewhere, as a method of legal ownership, where the part would reside in Pa after going through the proper channels and $200 stamp. Not sure that route would work, dunno what the laws on trusts are, if a resident of a different state can apply through one, etc. I know something changed recently about them, but didn't pay much attention. Never researched, because if it is remotely fun, you cannot have it in NJ. But yeah, in NJ, pretend no such thing exists, because you are not getting one. Pretty sure most machine shops would probably call the cops on you for asking, and if you are found to have one you made yourself or otherwise obtained, well, I would not want to be you for the next few years. Jail is no fun, and you can go there in NJ.

If I ever put that atrocity on a 10/22....someone please use it on me. I've obviously gotten so sick to my head that you'd be doing me a favor... I love that 10/22s have hundreds of options for different shells. I've seen 10/22 AUGs, M249s, G36s, and so many other guns. However, if I go for a body kit for a 10/22, the model in the lead for me is a High Tower Armory 90/22 Would run about 1/3 of what a PS90 would with a fake can, and I'd get my P90 fix. Plus it would cost a hell of a lot less to shoot than a PS90...

So, we doing a who is bringing what in here, or in a different thread, or just winging it and ending up with 14 different Glock 17s showing up? Or an "I wanna shoot"* list... *guns, not assholes who make your life harder/worse. Don't need THAT kind of list.

I admit nothing! OK it was pretty darn good...

IMO, forget about 5.56 in a bolt gun. If and/or when you get serious about a precision bolt gun, you will be likely end up using special ammo for it. I have a Savage 10 FCP-K .223 1:9 twist, and a couple AR platform rifles. A decent .223 wylde AR may make more sense if you want something for SHTF and some precision work and only ever want one rifle. I run cheap bulk .223 in one AR, and cheaper match grade .223 in my other, so I don't ever have to worry about mixing in 5.56. Quality match grade food for the Savage is over $1 a shot, I'm way too cheap to run that quickly through an AR just to blast away at targets. I would say forget about 5.56 for a bolt gun and just go for a .223 bolt, find some good ammo for it, and take your time - and DON'T burn lots of crap ammo through a good gun. My Savage loves Federal Gold Medal Match 69gr BTHP - my best 3 shot group has been ~3/8" edge to edge, at 100 yards; and I am sure someone more skilled could do better. Same rifle, same range, with crap bulk .223 might be 2-4" groups. Good ammo will make a difference, and feeding a rifle good ammo gets expensive. Thankfully, you are also taking your time with a precision bolt gun; I might only go through 20 or 40 rounds in a range session with my Savage. My model is discontinued, but if there are any other Savage .223 heavy barrel rifles in the law enforcement line, they are typically excellent shooters for a reasonable price. If you want aftermarket support, go Remington 700, or possibly a Ruger Precision Rifle (dunno their aftermarket, but I'd imagine it is or will be well supported.) I highly recommend a heavy barrel .223 with a 1:8 or 1:7 twist so you can use the 77gr match grade ammo out there.

My understanding is it is likely the only way* unless you work as an armed guard. If you do not know any politicians and judges, and have not helped significantly fund their campaign and/or lifestyle, then I suggest you get proof of actual, valid threats. You still won't qualify (yet) until you are actually murdered, at which point you may qualify. You may need to be murdered 2 or 3 times before NJ will actually issue you one. *not including the people who have already been murdered, who might only now qualify for getting one.

He meant .00013% of the states population has carry permits valid in NJ. Close enough to "no" carry permits for me...

Do you have full size mag springs? They were designed so they would not function and/or feed properly without all the components included as shipped. As designed and shipped, it will not feed more than 10 rounds. It can hold 30 if you take out the limiter, sure, but will not feed 30 unless you replace the spring. Don't buy 30rd mag springs. I bought their 15s, and now I've bought their 10s. I'm sleeping just fine. I'm sure I am not alone.

Won't reliably feed if you take the limiter out. Just buy the damn things.

I was on ebay looking for 10 round mags ( ) and found people asking 50% more for used ones than brand new in box ones...or $10 less than a new one, but with $14 shipping... The picture I used in the fake facebook ad was taken from 3 miles away. It is somehow still clearer than some real photos I have seen in for sale posts taken by someone who has full access to the damned car. I'm pretty sure that at least 20% of sellers seem to take all their pictures on a flip phone with a smudged lens, at night under a new moon, while having a seizure, during an earthquake, while holding the camera either too close to focus or so far away the item doesn't have more than 100 pixels covering it. I always assume they have a lot to hide in that case...much like "driven by a little old lady to church on Sundays" is exactly the same as "only fired 50 rounds through it"

OP sent me this picture of the rifle for sale after 3 weeks of not replying to my requests. He also mentioned he has a car for sale on facebook, took a screenshot of that for anyone interested. Strangely enough, it has 386,xxx miles on it, despite the ad being from November 2017...

That doesn't matter. They know they can ram it down our throats, the fudds still won't care (can't use more than 3, who needs 5?), and when the traitorous lower courts fuck us again, they know it'll be years before they get bitchslapped back to 10. In the meantime, they'll make sure that a few otherwise law abiding gun owners end up arrested and in jail for 7 years for "high capacity magazine posession", life ruined, and unable to own firearms again. The guy who breaks into a house and rapes someone is safe though, he gets a year and probation.

I normally don't like PCC ARs, and I think it is down to the Glock mag facing the "wrong" way. Since those seem to be the most common version, I think I always just attributed that mag angle to ALL PCC ARs. This, on the other hand, makes me really want one. It just looks right. I like the idea of cheap 9mm, but a .45 or 10mm or .40 would be fun in one of these too... One of these days, I'll have some spare funds for a new fun toy like this. Unrelated note: My only full auto experience was on a 9mm AR platform...it was like shooting .22s through my heavy barrel target .22 pistol, it didn't even move.

Its been done before. Depending on the model, you may be able to add/use real steel components, like holsters, grips, sights and certain other accessories. Problem is, stuff like springs are wimpy and weak compared to the real thing, controls may not always work (especially on AEGs) trigger pull is usually pretty substantially different (again AEGs), and dimensions and/or weight are usually off, so they may be too tight or too loose in a holster. Certainly cheaper and somewhat safer to practice with (still wear at least shooting glasses), but you do need to be aware of the limitations. If you can get it set up properly like your real firearm, it probably will be somewhat helpful and at the least fun to plink with if you already have it. Otherwise, depending on how expensive the model you're looking at may be, an extra case or two of ammo might be a better use of funds...

So today, I got an email from "myself" claiming to be from a hacker organization. It was pretty standard unbelievable bullshit...until the part where they gave me my password. Well, an old password. It claimed that they'd installed a virus and gotten webcam captures of me and various other blackmail claims, and would release them to all my contacts if I didn't pay $700 in bitcoin to x account. They claimed to be sending the mail from my own account, though the password they provided proves they ain't got shit other than an old password. The fact that there's no webcam on any of the PCs is another giveaway... So - at some point, some website with an account linked to that email address had been hacked and the info has gotten out there on the internet, and someone is trying to get $700 outta me. I got the same email about 5 times today. Scams are getting smarter. The inclusion of the password is a new twist that gives it legitimacy that you might otherwise dismiss as spam. Furthermore, if you are reusing passwords places, one site's security lapse can compromise a bunch of sites. So stop reusing passwords everywhere, and if you've had the same password for a site for years, might not be a bad time to change it.

I was half expecting to see 7-10 threads saying things about withdrawal symptoms and whatnot. Wondering how many people come here only at lunchtime, or only after dinner, and would never even know it was down for a while. Facebook page said " Forum upgrades are in progress." - so I'm guessing unplanned downtime that was taken advantage of.

My understanding is most 20ga are also lighter weight, so the felt recoil ends up being about even vs. a 12ga. A 20 may be easier for someone with problems holding up the gun, but recoil would still be about the same. A problem I have encountered with most new women shooters has been the weight of the front of the gun (specifically in my cases, rifles) when standing or otherwise unsupported, so a 20 would be easier on people with less strength in their arms, though I don't think it should be a real issue for the brief amount of time a sporting shotgun would be held up in the air. A semi-auto would likely help absorb some recoil, and I believe there are certain Benellis which have, or can have added, a recoil dampening device in the stock. A recoil pad, or even extra layer of clothing, can help tame a 12ga. And a heavier gun will almost always tame a heavy load better than a lighter gun. As for 12 vs 20, you are reducing the number of pellets heading toward your target, which can make things a little more challenging - not .410 challenging, but still, if you're anything like me, I need every single bit of help I can get... Last thought, cost of shooting should be a lot lower for 12 than 20, based on what I have seen. Maybe (since I don't own a 20ga and never look) the cost of 20 is close to 12, but the times I have seen sales, it seems like 20ga is always $1-2 more per box than 12ga...and I am a cheap bastard....

@Drew_S They will provide a shotgun if you do not have one. I would expect these to be 12ga, maybe 20ga or even possibly a .410, but 12ga is certain. If you are bringing your own, I'd bring a field style 12ga or 20ga if possible. I dunno how they'd feel about an 18" home defense shotgun or shockwave... They provide ammo, so if you have a strange caliber shotgun, you might have an issue. Not sure that they want you bringing ammo, but if it is your only gun and don't want to use theirs, might not hurt to bring 5 or 10 rounds of 7.5 / 8 / 9 birdshot and keep it separate in your car, and ask one of the instructors before bringing the ammo (and gun) out. You don't have to shoot a rifle. All firearms are covered under shotguns these days. You'll be observed for safe handling and being aware of headstamp and use of safety. Hitting targets is honestly not important, though if you can't hit those ground targets, I'd hope you work on that before going out in the field.