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Whether or not the intruder is armed in NJ is completely irrelevant. Read the NJ statutes relating to use of force. If are in your home and you feel that an intruder is threatening you, you may use anything up to and including lethal force. There's nothing in the statute about weapons, the amount of force allowed, or warning shots. And as for will you end up in court? Since justification for use of force is an affirmative defense, you may be required to defend your actions in front of a jury. Depending on the prosecutor in your county you may or may not have to do this, but it is safe to assume that any time you intentionally injure another person you damn well better be prepared to justify your actions. As for the advice about the warning shot after the fact. Think about this bang bang bang bang.... ... ... bang Unless you live in the middle of nowhere (this is NJ, you don't) Someone else is going to have heard this. They WILL be questioned by the investigators, so the investigators will know of this. Either a) You just executed him b) You had an AD/ND c) You faked firing a warning shot. You don't think that any of these three possibilities will damage your credibility in front of a jury?

I would have been very tempted to run that guy over, I certainly would have been in fear for my life with some guy hitting my car with a crowbar with me in it...

I think you're missing the point. OC in Philly is legal with a LCTF, therefore there is no reason to suspect that he was doing anything wrong in the first place and no need to point a gun at him. We don't drag people out of cars at gunpoint to make sure they have a driver's license, do we?

The P22 I usually rent was broken today, so I tried out their Beretta 92 instead. It felt quite good in my hand and even though it is a 9mm I was able to get my sights back on target much quicker than I can with the P22. I think I will need to find a new range though, $19.85 for a box of 9 is a bit steep, $.40/round, and I've seen bulk 9mm online for about $.20/round... Does anyone know of any ranges in the area that rent the M&P 9mm or the CZ 75?

Nice.

You realize that case is from the UK? They have even more strict laws on use of force and it is also illegal to keep a weapon for the purpose of self defense. Even in most states that would have been a bad shoot as he shot at fleeing people. I would agree with what other said above: "I HAVE A GUN," if he continues being a threat take whatever action you feel necessary to end the threat. In your home you have zero obligation to retreat and need only to have a reasonable belief that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent you or another from coming to harm. If you charge me in my house after me warning you I have a gun: 1. He has a weapon? Shoot. 2. He has no weapon? Shoot. 3. I don't know if he has a weapon? Shoot. If someone charges you after being warned you are armed what can you assume other than that he intends to do you harm?

I don't think you can withdraw your application, the only thing you can do is appeal the denial. If you have no criminal background and no mental health issues what did they deny you for? They can't just deny you with no reason.

Except they have no obligation to prosecute. This man, and the nurse, and the other recent case, obviously had no criminal intent. They could just not charge and tell them to not do it again, but they won't.

Meh, anything from a chief is political, not necessarily how normal LEOs feel about a subject. Chiefs, while LEOs, serve at the pleasure of the mayor.

Well Tuesdays are going to be fun... I usually get home from the range at 9, now I can watch top gear at 9 and top shot at 10. Hopefully there isn't as much drama as previous seasons though.

Long heavy pull. If I was carrying it maybe, but for just for plinking and USPSA or Steel having a much lighter trigger (from the second shot on) would be nice. When I go to the range I'll usually do a magazine or two in double action with the P22 and it is considerably harder to be accurate at any significant range. Single action I can keep 90% of the shots in the black at 15 yards, double action I can keep them on paper at least. I may take a look at the M&P 9 and 22. They seem to be fairly well reviewed, but the biggest factor is what fits in my hand.

I just spoke with the PD and they will change my P2P from 1 to 3, so that increases my options. As long as the trigger is fairly light, striker fired such as Glock or M&P may be ok also, though I know that I would not want a DAO gun.

No specific class on the Constitution in Cherry Hill, but as part of US History 1 you do spend maybe a month or so...

I wasn't aware you could do this. I'll have to pay my PD a visit tomorrow morning. I assumed once you handed them the paper it was set in stone. I'm not looking for a police trade-in. I meant that I have no issues buying a used gun regardless of damage to the finish so long as it still goes bang every time I pull the trigger. Edit- No, I don't think Glocks are ugly. They're no 1911 or Beretta 92, but they aren't exactly a Hi-Point either. The main issue I have with the Glock, and any striker-fired weapon, is that you lack re-strike capability, which may be important with the cheap .22 I plan on feeding it.

I finally got approval of the other members of my house to keep a gun in the house, and since all the forms are in I should have my FID/P2P in about a month. I am looking primarily at the Beretta 92, the Sig P226, and the CZ 75. Though if anyone has any suggestions I am all ears. Requirements - .22lr conversion for plinking 9mm+ for HD and possible competition (USPSA, Steel) DA/SA or striker Conversion must lock slide on empty mag Budget $1000 for the gun and conversion, though less is preferable. Desired Not Fugly (Hi-Point..., mall ninja...) US made Significance of the weapon. Blued/Black, stainless if tasteful (No desert tan, FDE, or other colored guns) Aesthetic damage on a used gun is fine, so long as it still works well. I have no problems taking a police trade-in or other used gun. I was dumb and only applied for one P2P, so it has to be a full caliber and a conversion. .22 is required since that's what I can afford to go to the range once a week and shoot. I am interested in USPSA and/or Steel matches, so I would like a 9mm for that purpose as well as for home defense. I haven't had a chance to get my hands on anything except the Beretta yet, but hopefully that will change soon.

Chapter 54? Firearms laws are 2C:39 and 2c:58, and there is no mention in the NJSA (NJ Statutes Amended) of any sunset date. Perhaps that is NJAC (NJ Administrative Code)?

You had to date a chick in TV to learn that? I thought it was common knowledge. I don't even trust the "news" on TV.

Just picked up one of these at the gun show in Oaks for $10. The cutter on the handle has a protrusion at the top though, have to get the metal file out and file it down. Other than that I like it, black locks positively open and closed, just enough resistance that you won't accidentally open it. The torsion bar is easy to get out of the way so you can close it. Restraint cutter and glass breaker, 3 1/4 blade with a small serration, so it shouldn't be hard to come up with a lawful reason should I need to.

My understanding of that ruling is that it only applied if the town had not yet received all required information from the applicant and also received the results of the state background check and fingerprinting. The chief can't legally (in theory anyway...) sit with your application, your fingerprints, your reference letters, and the state background check on his desk for 6 months while he decides whether or not to approve you.

I'm working on the assumption that he meant to say expanding, but yeah, I winced there too. As far as checking up on your kids online: I agree, it is something that you should do, however, it isn't always practical. My parents didn't grow up with computers, they barely know what button to hit to play solitare and get on the internet, so when I was very young, 6-7 when we first got internet to 11 or 12, they would check on what I was doing. However, once I hit about 12 or so, I realized that they had no idea how computers worked and could quite easily make it so they couldn't monitor what I was doing any more. Fortunately I had common sense and didn't get into anything too stupid.

So it takes Florida a month +/- a week to get a CCW license to you, yet it takes NJ 1-18 months for a FID/P2P? I swear every time I read a thread on this site I want to move more and more.

The only problem is the pilot is probably sitting in some air conditioned trailer on Nellis, Edwards, Davis-Monthan, Kirtland, or some other remote Air Force base.

Same, she didn't approve my comment on her latest blog either where I said how wrong the NBC "investigation" was... I guess facts just aren't good enough for some people.

Thinking it and saying it, especially in a public place are two very different things. Sounds like the kid needs some serious training in discipline and respect.

Wo is where, Wer is who, it would be "Where (in Germany) do you come from?" I may be incorrect, this is my 4 year old German speaking...