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Gun vaults are good for smash and grab thiefs and for keeping out kids too young to be safe. But if you have a thief with time on his hands , or a problematic pre teen or teen , any of these standalone bolt it to the floor type safes can be defeated. You need a big standing one with a real lock on it , or an in wall safe to deter a problem teen with tools or a burglar that targeted you because he knows you are in the bahamas or something and you don;t have an alarm system.. In other words , if you did not spend more than a grand on it , you are only protected against smash and grab and typical young kids. I view these safes as being there so I can grab something quickly without have a loaded weapon laying around for any kids to touch. If I was going to be away , or if the situation arises where I have a kid I can't trust , they will be in a big safe that is like a piece of furniture , or heavy duty in wall that was installed professionally. If you keep stuff in a 300 dollar safe , and you don't have other deterrents like an alarm system that is monitored , you should keep in mind that you may come home from a day's outing to see your own guns pointing at you.

In our case , the only obstacle of private ranges is distance. So wish there was something closer to home.

gun vault is a good start..education is the critical part. Make sure if the gun was accessible for any off the grid weird reason , they know what to do and how to do it safely. My kids are 1 , 4 , and almost 6. Guns are ready to go should we need to defend ourselves , but in safes around the house. A word of caution about biometrics. Program your fingerprint as many different ways as you can so you do not get denied if you come in under stress at some weird angle , buy a safe that has a key combo override in case your finger is nit in its original condition when you have to use that safe , and keep the finger reader clean. It avoids being locked out because it can't read your print , and it also avoids someone from bumping it open because your print is left behind.

They banned you for that? Wow. Well , welcome to this forum. My brother has property in PA in Jim Thorpe where we are allowed to target practice , I have a PA CCW ( edited for correction , I am licensed to CCW in PA , as I have a Fla CCW) , and I often go to a gun store I like in PA. I plan to bring a few handguns there to get some gunsmithing work done this week. I have the utmost confidence that as long as I am transporting my handguns in an enclosed case unloaded I am FINE. I obey the transport laws in NJ and in PA. My starting point and end point are legal places for me to posses and use my gun . My intentions are legal. End of story!

He looked safe , and he genuinely looked perplexed over the reaction. Which is why I think he was not from around these parts If someone were to stroll around here with an uncased long arm, police would be there in short order.As happened in the article I posted Regardless of the legality of it. It just is not something you see around here. I mean you could technically put a Guernsey in your yard and go out for your milk every morning , it just is not how people operate here. Personally I would rather see decent folk with shouldered rifles and have cows and chickens on my land..but it is the price you pay to be in and out of NYC in 20 minutes I suppose . Kind of reminded me when my husband and I bought this house and it was his first time living someplace with a yard in the US. He went from Ireland where they had lots of land , to NYC . Then here. He cut down enough bushes in our new yard to make a mound that was about 4 feet high and 20 feet long. I told him I would call a removal company in the morning...he asked why..I asked him what he thought was going to happen to the felled bushes ..he was going to make small manageable piles and light them on fire and was quite shocked when he learned you were not allowed to burn in your own yard here in the burbs lol .

Yeah , today. I almost went outside again to put in my foam plugs under my ear covers. It was hurting the ear that was facing him , and he was maybe 2 or 3 ports down.So I'll give you that. It was the biggest thump I have ever heard out of anything there during a visit , in my limited experience..

Please let me know when you are going to do that again!

I agree. In fact I would say that anyone who wants things a specific way to their liking should be the ones shopping and checking out private ranges. We do plan to join a range because my kids can be involved there. Plus , there is no place else besides private ranges where you can shoot outdoors in the fresh air , at least not around here. I prefer outdoors and I like the idea of knowing most of the people around you, but the BH fulfills a need for a quick one hour practice session without a long ride , the ROs are on people who are not safe ( I'm sure the uncertainty of dealing with the public , some people you see once and then never again , ups the level of "attentiveness" you need to give even if it is not well received by some people lol ) and if you go at the right times the wait is not that bad. I can go for an hour , come home and relieve the sitter ( Pete) and then he can go for an hour. When we get ARs , whenever that finally happens , I absolutely would practice there even though it is only 23 yards. Otherwise..we realistically can spend the chunk of a day at an outdoor range that we join ( figure 2 hours transit time if there is no traffic , 2 hours shooting ) MAYBE twice a month if we are lucky. So we would not get much opportunity to shoot our long guns at all if the BH wasn't willing to allow all types of NJ legal guns to use the ports. ( I shoot my Mini 14 and my shotgun there , Pete his Winchester lever action ..and eventually we plan to both have ARs)So , I'm kind of glad they do

Kearny High , as recent as 1988 ( I know I know , that is not recent lol ) kids on the rifle team kept their rifles in their locker . Cased and all , but you know . Relaxed.

here is the link to the article from a few years ago. They did find out who he was and they did summons him for something , can't remember what it was. http://www.northjersey.com/news/North_Arlington_police_lock_down_schools_after_reports_of_armed_gunman.html

So , basically , if I wanted to walk to the BH from my house ( which I could do if I wanted to) I can sling my long gun on my shoulder unloaded and stroll there ( I know I would never make it without being stopped , but I am talking theory here) . However , if I throw it in my trunk or the back of my SUV it has to be in a fastened case . Trippy. There was a guy here a few years ago who walked his shotgun from his parked car 3 blocks to his apartment. People called in , the schools were totally locked down. If I remember correctly , he was given some kind of summons or ticket or whatever..I could probably look it up.

I'm not bothered by the high powered anything there. Personally .

It is not the kind of range that has a "safe table" or anything. That is what I was thinking , perhaps his home range has a safe table or area where you can put your gun down. There is ample signage about only uncasing weapons in your port , and when you hand them the ticket they always give you a quick " no uncased weapons outside of your port , rifle and shotgun to center mass only " . He seemed a nice courteous guy and was handling his weapon safely , were it a place that allowed you to walk around like that. The Bullet Hole is a 23 yard indoor place . I do not know what kind of gun it was , but it looked nice. It was an AR type , and it was LOUD. I have heard loud guns there before , but I was 3 ports down from him and I could feel the percussion from his shots. I was stepping out of my port to reload some mags and he strolled past with his gun lol I was like "RO yelling in 3 , 2 , 1......." Considering the blatancy of the ignored well posted rule , the ROs handed it well I thought.

My department renews them no problem..ifthe Chief is in , just stop in and he'll sign it. I would stop in and politely ask ..if you call on the phone ahead of time , more chance of a "no" IMO.

So , there I was at the BH this afternoon . As an aside , good day there , no crowds , ROs were convivial , and the guy with the gray hair and glasses ( forgot his name ) helped me pick out a decent IWB for my new CZ compact and it was a good price ( their prices always seem decent to me). Well , there was a guy there with a particularly loud AR , I mean to the point where my ears were feeling it even with the muffs on. Very cool gun .All fine and good , but his time is up about 20 minutes post my arrival , and he just kind walks out of his port and is heading out with his AR in his hand ( he made it to behind that long table ) . He was carrying it safely and all ..but...the RO was right on top of it and yells at him to get back in his port , that he has to case his gun in the port .The guy proceeds to tell him he has to let the gun cool down before he cases it. Ok , I can understand that and if I had a gun that ran that hot I would probably shoot it in the middle of my range session and then shoot other stuff while it cooled down. If it was the only gun I had there I would build cool down time into my time slot , I suppose. But he was like , leaving. Where was he going , out to his car with an AR in his hand ? lol IDK , maybe he was going to hang out at the back of the room until his gun cooled down? If he is a member here and reading this post.-Dude , where were you going like that?!?!? Maybe he was from somewhere or some range where walking around just anywhere with a rifle slung is okey dokey ?

James , maybe we'll be both getting our kids together at OB someday soon Molly ( almost 6) has not.stopped.talking about it to me. We plan to join OB hopefully in September ( I have surgery coming up that will knock me out of play until late August) ..my daughter will be 6 in October , and I think I know what she is getting for her birthday I'll be picking up a cheap airsoft too so we can practice the rules in the yard. Also have to figure out if she is cross dominant..it seems she may be. Stuff to look forward to! OP- I agree with everyone else . It depends on the kid . Molly was definitely ready at 5 and enjoyed her lesson with Dave. My son? He is 4. Let's just say he is not ready lol

I won't comment either way on the little two way diatribe going on here , but I will agree with one point. I do think this forum is widely read and not just by gun enthusiast. Almost any type of gun search you type in , questions about laws , this forum pops up in a search on the first page of hits. Even if you don't type NJ half the time. I did a search looking for lightening trigger pull ( which I did decide against) and the Yahoo search showed hits on this page. It has happened with a lot of things I searched .. which just means this place is awesome for info ..but it also means that if some toe rag wants to throw out an accusation that someone who had a ND like what happened here in this case may have had his trigger pull too light because he is trigger happy , they PROBABLY will find this forum. Now this has nothing to do with this topic but - everything I type here , I keep in mind it is totally public. If God forbid any of us did have to use a weapon in SD and was subsequently charged , if you think pages and pages of your online "enthusiast" posts won;t be dragged into court by the prosecutor , think again. That is also why I don't copy and paste articles right into the body of the post . Links are better. If the victim's family searches that girl's name , there is a chance it will come up in a search here , and it will show all the gun enthusiasts making jokes about BJs and such...which is human nature and I'm sure anyone who has never even held a gun in their life would have that particular scenario cross their mind...but we will be scrutinized here because we are one of "them" . Just sayin'!

Congratulations! Enjoy!

Yeah , in that case they definitely do not have to do anything different than what they are doing.So I would not pay a lawyer to write a letter or anything since you really don't have any legal recourse. HOWEVER there are still decent people in this world and if you get the ear of a nice person there at the paper and explain that your wife is upset something from her wedding picture collection is being used in such an unpleasant story , someone may harvest a different picture of him. You never know.

A few Frank , a few . 20 years ago

I can only think of one reason . Someone touched the trigger. The question is who touched and who was where when said trigger was touched. The autopsy is done , and the fact that it only says she was shot through the lung and heart and mentions nothing about trajectory , distance , powder burns , residue on the hands of the trigger....toucher. makes it obvious there is more to it and like so many other incidents facts will just trickle out and people will make up their stories as it goes because that is human nature and that is what we do.

Was this from your FB portfolio ? Or website? Curious. Like I said in one of my earlier posts , photographers often watermark or put a notice up on their page that says do not copy , crop etc etc. I do. Plus I put it in the metadata . I do know some photographers ( you included now) who had it stand up in court because the watermark was removed , or the "do not copy" was ignored . It gives you some protection. I also know some that lost . One in particular involved pictures of Bruce Springsteen that were copied from a FB page then appeared in the Asbury Press . The Asbury Press did not have to do anything( compensate , stop using , give credit , etc) because the photographer had posted them on a few friend's walls and the wall for the Stoned Pony and the Stone Pony sent it to the Press. Therefore he "shared" them and lost any expectation of privacy he had . He lost that one. It is relevent to Shawn's issue here because if you post a FB picture of a friend and share it with them or allow them to share it , and they post it on their site , and it gets used....well , I suppose you can still send a letter if you want to and if the paper has another picture they like they may grant your wish just so you go away. But the definitely do not have to. KWIM? We're not totally comparing apples to apples here

A DMCA takedown notice has absolutely nothing to do with newspapers , news , nothing.That is used when someone steals one of your videos or pictures and puts it on youtube or some other similar internet site without your permission. It is part of the Online Copyright Infringement Liability Act and it is meant to keep OSPs from being sued for copyright infringement because someone stole someone's work and then broadcast it on FB or youtube as their own . It has zero to do with what is going on here.

From the uk ..which often has more info than we do. Go figure. Lots of eye rolling while reading this..you've been warned. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2170759/Adaisha-Miller-killed-police-officers-gun-fires-hugs-him.html?ITO=1490 I'll tell you what . I'll bet she gave him a flirty IWB Hey How Ya Doin , found his gun , got her fingers in the holster maybe , especially if it was a roomy soft holster. If she was dancing and was down low... The autopsy should be pretty conclusive in the who pulled the trigger department and the angle of entry. Until then who knows what happened? The one thing I feel confident not believing is that she merely hugged him and caused his IWB gun to "just go off" .

If it is advertising , yes a cease and desist should do it. If it is news or editorial (and this guy is news) and is printed in that context ..no recourse. Freedom of the press . That is why famous people get so violated. The mere fact that they are famous makes their image "newsworthy" . I have pictures I took of a few famous people at the Stone Pony and other places. I am allowed to publish them in any paper ..newspaper , music newspapers like the Aquarian. What I can't do is make it in to a poster or print and sell it to a gallery , or put it in some store's flyer , a restaurant's menu ( Look! Bruce eats here!) type thing. Someone steal your work and use it for their business? If you are a member of the PPA they will litigate that for you at minimal cost.