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It is 6 3/4 pounds with factory stock , i added the milspec stock so closer to 8 pounds I'm sure. Save a few bucks wherever you can , they billed and shipped my D800 today.

They have this really cool looking American Flag backstrap for that gun The Bullet Hole is fine in my experience. I know plenty have complaints and I do not doubt they had a negative experience . I have only been a range time customer there , and never had an issue personally. On a weeknight after work in the summer you can usually go right into a port . They let you shoot pretty much any NJ legal gun. Works for me.

I like the drop downs , real easy to navigate. The pictures are good too

Congratulations! Looks great!

When we first became gun owners and started training , yes I was very nervous about any of my child's friends or other parents finding out we owned guns. Then I started to get to know people in the community who also owned guns , they were responsible people , family people , good people. I slowly became less secretive about it. Then I decided Molly needed to learn gun safety . As careful as we are , we are human and you just can't take error out of the equation when you are human , also I learned ( by not being so secretive) that plenty of other parents around here have guns in the house. So I taught her gun safety because not only do I have to trust us to never make an oversight..but I have to trust OTHERS not to make an oversight at their home. Gun ownership in NJ seems to be grossly underestimated because of the secrecy. The response I have had from people since I " came out of the safe" has been either positive or neutral , with no negativity so far.. surprisingly. I put up pics on FB of my husband training and of me at IDPA and everyone had positive things to say about it , and some were curious and asked how they can get into it too. So I am a bit more realistic about it and figure I don't flaunt it , but I don't hide it either. It has admittedly been a process from " no , do not tell ANYONE" to " hey if they don't like we don;t have to talk about it but I'm not hiding it" ..I think your comfort level and confidence goes up with exposure to other like minded individuals..some are like minded and you just don't know it until someone breaks the ice

And , as a disclaimer , I am not discrediting Nappan or anyone..the law is gray , it contradicts itself. There is no direct specific exemption in the body of legislation addressing illegal transfers naming self defense in the home as an exemption..however in different legislation it says you can use any gun in your home. Ask an attorney and they will tell you , yes there is legislation that says your wife can't use your handgun if you are not with her at the range , yada yada..but that is interpretation of the law..not fact based on case law. But you have to really think of the application. Which section would stand if an innocent woman shoots a rapist carrying a butcher knife and duct tape that has broken into her home and she picks up her husband's handgun and saves herself? I'm saying nobody is bringing her up on charges for that in the first place , which is probably WHY there is no case law on it. If your wife goes all Thelma and Louise with your piece..then yeah , you probably will see some charges there including illegal transfer..that is the kind of stuff for which that piece of legislation was written . In summary , and the end..who gives a sh*t . My husband and I have similar handguns , and at some point I'm sure we'll have identicals. We share safes. It will be a cold day in hell before I worry about checking serial numbers before defending the lives of my kids and myself.

Thanks Dave I'm waiting for 2 weeks now for my prints of Molly shooting to come in from Adorama . I hope they get here by Friday..show and tell this Friday is hobbies.

" he will err on the extreme side of caution.. that does NOT make it right.." ^this. Lawyers are citing what theoretically COULD happen because of the twisting confusing conflicting way the alws are written. The "facts" cited are not facts , they are supposition based on an individuals interpretation of the law. There is NO case law where a wife picked up her husband's gun , used it to kill an intruder , and was brought up on charges. The same way sodomy is still illegal in some states , but they are not charging consenting adults for doing it..they are using it as tack on charges to make a rape conviction stick. Same as it is with "illegal transfer" . If you lend your wife your gun and she goes out and commits a crime with it , "illegal transfer" would be included in the numerous criminal charges . However , in your home , defending your life , it would not apply. Unless she shot someone who was trying to get out the window and get away from her or something. Other criminal defense attorneys in NJ I am friends with are of the opinion it would not be the lone charge in a justified home invasion self defense situation. And I agree with them. I only see it being an issue if your spouse commits a crime with your gun . You can use ANY gun in your home for self defense. Says so in the law. I would need to see case law where a person who made a justified shoot in their home was charged with an illegal transfer. She can't take your gun to the range , she can't take your gun anywhere ..but she can use any gun in the house to defend herself. Ideally , everyone in the home should get an FID and pistol permits. Because it is a good thing to do , period.

I am really glad this kid was able to defend his and his sibling's lives. I won't assume I know these particular kids and throw judgement from a news article reader's POV..but in general I would be uneasy with your average 8 , 10 , and 12 year old having access to handguns ( the ages of the siblings , as listed) HOWEVER , we all know how spotty news reporting could be ..it is possible the guns were in a safe and this 14 year old was trained and trusted , and had access to the safe code . He was trusted as babysitter so in my mind a mature 14 year old that demonstrated maturity and skill could safely have access to..a safe. Just being optimistic and giving benefit of doubt. Good job by this young man in doing the right thing and protecting his family. The very fact that a WOMAN was ringing the bell and trying to gain access initially sends chills up my spine because it tells me the children were targeted. Children are often taught that when in danger , trust a woman. Possible the perps knew this , specifically picked that house at 4:30 in the afternoon ( after school , yet before parents come home) because the wanted to do something with or to those kids. So thank God this kid had the courage to shoot.

Also ..while your wife is pregnant , should you ask her what her weight was at her prenatal visit that day , and she spits out a number that is the same as your weight..never say "parity has been achieved" . Also , she may want to wear your boxers for comfort reasons. Commenting on the waistband being stretched..again a no no. When it comes to what "type" of birth to have , the only appropriate answer from you is " whatever kind of birth you want honey" . It is the only safe and appropriate answer. Starting an argument with her , saying she should refrain from any pain killing or numbing drugs at all costs during labor because you read that in an article natural birth is best , is a bozo no no. Even if we want a natural drug free birth knowing that you can by choice be numb from the waist down is a bit of a security blanket. Yes , women use to drop them in rice patties and kept working. But we also use to pull teeth without any numbing and men worked until the day they died , period. Times have changed. And ESPECIALLY do not say that about the drugs or epidural right before you yourself go to the dentist and ask for (right in front of her) a topical numbing agent FOR A TOOTH CLEANING . ^F'in Pete....

Well , I'm a girl with girly hands..and I say only wear gloves when it is freezing out I have not developed any callouses from shooting ??? I use to get hammer bit by my revolver when I shot Magnums out of it..once I stopped going through 5 band aids per range trip I knew I learned not to limp wrist the higher recoil. Pain penalties can be useful sometimes lol Where do your hands hurt when you shoot? As far as the sweat , IMO learn to shoot with your sweaty hands if you plan to use a firearm to defend your life at home should the situation arise. If your hands have a propensity to sweat , sweat they will if someone busts into your home . You would not want to be fooling with gloves if time was of the essence IMO . And MO is a novice one admittedly.. but hope it offers some perspective regardless

"Surefire Rail with TLR-1 and TD "Irish" Stubby very grip" ehm...why is the stubby grip nicknamed "irish" lol

Thanks I have 3 permits coming ..already have something in a compact picked out if it works out ..this sub compact BUG gun will be next ...then a nice blue revolver. Then I will not apply for any more pistol permits. Right

I'm going to put your post on my fridge . 3 kids 5 and under..sometimes you forget to enjoy it as chaotic as it is All good advice from experienced dads here . The only thing I would add is that having kids tests the relationship. Sometimes you are so sleep deprived , so stressed out over the kid stuff and doing everything right , that you strike out at each other . You say things you don't mean , even if you think you mean them at the time . You have thoughts that are influenced by your lack of sleep and your stress ..not by how you really feel about each other. Acknowledge it , don;t make any relationship decisions during the first 5 years of having kids , and make sure you escape and leave the baby/kids with a trusted sitter often , so you can still have a relationship with your wife besides the role of parents to little X. Very important. Enjoy the ride

Wait for a financial advisor to answer. I took out money to open a business , was told wrong info , and was most unpleasantly screwed by state tax that year to the tune of 7K I was not expecting to owe. If memory serves. Accept no opinions or personal history..wait for Maks or someone who is a tax account IN NJ or sometime . Trust me on that.

You should take her to the range with that gun If she wants to go try shotguns with another lady shooting the same gun let me know . It can be kind of intimidating when you are the only girl with a gun like that on the firing line lol You get all worried it will send you airborne and stuff ...you know , gun still hanging in the air with you on your butt 5 feet away . I was pleasantly surprised by the very manageable recoil out of my 590A1 Mariner. The only thing that was sore after a 4 hour course was my left forearm and bicep..from trying to hold the barrel up with my palm to the sky. And my neck , from the sling lol

I don't know about the other stuff , but I don't think the pistol style foregrip is useless. It may be useless to a full sized person , but with a heavier gun like that I find I can enjoy holding the gun up more with the pistol style foregrip. With my hand palm up on the regular foregrip it is more work to hold the barrel up for a long period of time. I'm sure people who are NOT 4'11 females will disagree with me , but that is fine. As long as it does not interfere with safe reliable HD purposes and overall performance , I don't see why anyone would care how you want your gun to look ((shrug)) I can see advice about the laser being good advice..might be more of a distraction than any help. For a one off shot the pistol foregrip probably does not matter one way or the other. But if someone small like me wants to enjoy an hour or two at the range with their heavy 12 gauge ( as I do) , I say if you like the way the gun shoots , then all is well as far as you should be concerned. Has your wife ever shot that shotgun?

+100 as well

Very nice ! Good review and pics. I've only heard good things about these Walthers

Well now , that is a fine looking .45 ! Enjoy

Agreed ^ that is the only part of your question to worry about. If she has never shot a gun , and if there is a possibility she would use one that is in her home to defend herself , she should go to the range with you and get familiar with it at the very least. Or make taking a pistol class together a fun couple's thing to do. I highly recommend dates at the range

The law is so gray on this and you are going to get a few different angles and opinions. It could be deemed an illegal transfer...on the other hand there is wording in the legislation that you can use ANY gun that is in your home. Honestly , the best thing to do is have her apply for her FID and some permits at the same time , find some handguns she likes and can call her own , and have her enjoy some training.Can't go wrong there and takes all opinion out of the matter. If my life or my children's life was in danger and my husband's firearms are more accessible when someone comes busting down the door in a home invasion ..I'll worry about the whole illegal transfer thing after we're all safe.

Definitely check the laws in your area. And if you are allowed to shoot them , good luck. They are tough to kill. There was another lengthy thread on the matter ..but the consensus is they take a larger round to go down , or perfect shot placement. If anyone ever meets my dad at a shooting event or something , ask him about groundhogs he had on his horse farm in PA. His eyes glass over and he'll go into a long story that starts with a .22lr , goes through various weapons and methods including gasoline bombs in their holes , and ends with him specifically target practicing for hours a day with a .30-06 ( if memory serves) and purchasing a high end scope all in preparation for an all out assault from the upstairs bedroom with all 5 kids corralled in there with him for safety reasons . The .30-06 killed them alright .. But still they came back. It was very Bill Murray and I don't think my father ever recovered. Say "groundhog" around him and it is like that Niagra Falls skit from The Three Stooges..slooooowly I turned...

Pizza Bob should have some good thorough recommendations. My recommendation is to see what he recommends

That seems pretty conclusive. If it were me , paaaaassssssss . Not that I believe in juju or whatever , it would just always be on my mind . If I bought something that was used in war , then it is part of the whole package. Plus , fighting for ones beliefs has a different feel to it than suicide or civilian acts of homicide. JMO.