Sandy

The poster who said just shoot it and forget the instructions was right I had no trouble with it racking , etc.(and thanks Mike for checking it for me 1st ) . I did have 1 light strike though . It looked like it was hit off center. I was using Remington UMC match nickel plated ammo. One of the guys there said the same thing happened to them with that ammo . Jeez , I hope it is the ammo , because if not it will be 2 brand new S&Ws I have to send back for light strikes. The other one is my new Model 60 revolver. Hmmmmm.. hopefully it does not happen again. Other than that I LOVED this gun. The sights are nice , easy to sight up , and there is like zero recoil in .40. I found it very accurate when I concentrated , any misses were definitely me rushing things. Very happy with it..so pleeeease no more light strikes !

I had a great day , and really enjoyed the class. Thank you guys , for putting this together ! It was great meeting the other forum members too Sandy

No topics about this week's Top Shot ? Hey diddle diddle right down the middle..has left the building. Anyone ? Anyone ? Or did I miss a long post about it?

Really? You saw a Mountain lion in NJ? I keep hearing reports to that effect. Wow.

The way it looks on S&W 's site ( which is confusing to say the least ) only the Pro series .40s are double action only .SKU #s 178031 and 032 . Mine is SKU # 178032 http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_757955_-1_757781_757781_image

I'm fine with a 4 hour shower . Washes the lead off.

Ah , the manual you posted says this Pull the slide to the rear and release it, allowing it to carry fully forward. This strips a cartridge from the magazine and seats it in the chamber of the barrel Mine says , in the exact same spot and I am looking right at it , this : Pull the slide to the rear , press down on the slide stop to release the slide and allow it to carry fully forward . This strips a cartridge from the magazine and seats it into the chamber of the barrel. Mine is DAO ( not DOA , I hope lol ) , Pro series . Just to be thorough here .

page 16 , bottom , in the manual that comes with the gun..your link won't open for me

I was responding to this : Sorry to make you scream Babaganoosh lol

So I have to slam it in , or deal with the slide release ? ( which I have a hard time manipulating ) It won't release if I insert full mag , pull slide back farther , then release ?

In the instructions , right after the insert the loaded magazine part , it says exactly : Pull the slide to the rear , press down on the slide stop to release the slide and allow it to carry fully forward . This strips a cartridge from the magazine and seats it into the chamber of the barrel.

Oh , I get it now. So if the slide is open and you put in a new full mag , the slide just closes without you doing anything else ( this is my first DOA gun) . In the instructions it says to depress the slide release , I'll see if I can find that part of the instructions to paste here .

sorry not the mag release , the slide release. It says when you insert a loaded mag ( with the slide to the rear chamber open ) , pull slide back , depress slide release , let slide go.

I just picked up my new M&P 40 Pro series..I has a question. It is the Pro series , so no safety , no trigger lock , no magazine disconnect feature , and it is DOA. The way I am reading the instructions , and the way it seems to be operating empty suggests that when you put a new loaded magazine in you have to pull the rack back it stays back , then you depress the slide release to allow it to go forward and strip a bullet into the chamber ??? In other words ..if I am shooting and the magazine is empty , the slides stays back , I drop the empty mag out , put the new full mag in ..then I would think you just pull the slide back farther and release which then put one in the chamber..but what I am reading and seeing..you need to hit that slide release every time you put a new mag in when the slide is in the open position after emptying the last mag. If that is the case , as Sarge says from Penguins of Madagasgar ..that's not gonna fly.

I'm in favor of it because it is a constitutional right in this country . I also think the citizens should be allowed to carry because Lord knows the bad citizens are. Gun laws have done nothing the curb the gun violence in the USA . If a guy is going to go rob a store and take a few hostages , do you think he cares if he is breaking the law by carrying a gun? Gun laws are an epic fail in the crime reduction department , the campaigns against gun violence have made everyday citizens afraid of guns, even if they are in the hands of responsible owners, by stating twisted stats like " you are more than likely to be killed by your own gun that be saved by it" , erroneous reporting by the media ( and by the idiots who make statements after NDs ) make people think that even if you are careful with a gun it can "just go off" .. On a side note , I do get the private property thing. And I am not saying I think a restaurant should allow you to carry your gun inside. That I have to think about more. However , the fact is , when you use your private property to generate revenue or deal with the public in anyway the laws change. For instance , example , let's say an Applebees in NJ . It is private property , yes ..but they can't ask you to please not say grace out loud , they can't ask you not to wear a yarmulke on your head or a crucifix on your neck in their establishment , they can't turn you away from their establishment based on the color of your skin , AND they are not allowed to tell a breastfeeding mother to cover up. They have to put ADA doors and ramps in, using their own money, the minute they apply for a permit to do any kind of work or upgrades to their establishment. I know a pizza place in Kearny..they guy wanted to do some imporvements to the facade , in order to get the permit he had to agree to make his building ADA compliant. He had to put in a 10K elevator. In other examples , when it comes to safety , your constitutional rights are allowed to be challenged by a property owner while he is conducting business . A good exampe is banning burkas in banks or other high security risk businesses like check cashing facilities. And you are allowed to prevent someone from picketing on your private property in some instances , but not others. Take the privately owned park with the OWS people. They were not allowed to "only " kick out the protestors..they had to close the whole park to the public to legally get them out of there so they could "clean" ..they were not allowed to single out and violate the 1st ammendment rights of the protestors..they havd to close it to the whole public and say they had to "clean" So there are gray areas when you are conducting business with/on your "private property " . It becomes less "private" when you open it to the public and you are subject to certain laws that dictate equality and protect the rights of your customers . Like it? Fine carry on. Don't like it? You'll be in court , and you will be fined. I just find the whole " it's private property" angle slightly misused here ( i DON'T MEAN HERE IN THIS THREAD , iMEAN IN OTHER THREADS) ..it is true that you can do whatever you want or make any rules you want on your private property BUT if your private property is open to the public and/or makes money from the public , you lose a lot of your private property rights . Again a good example is breastfeeding . According the the law in NJ ( and a lot of other states) if a woman is allowed to be there otherwise , she is allowed to be there breastfeeding and she does not have to make efforts to cover up. That is the law. So a private property owner who has his private property open as a business to the public can't kick her out for having both barrels out and free and visible ( unless they are real barrels on real guns) . Another example - if you own a Bed and Breakfast ( which is usually your home as well ) , you can't turn a person away because they are of a certain race or religion. And you can't tell a mom not to nurse in the common areas. You can make any rules you want and exclude anyone you want on your private property ..but if your private property is open to or makes money from the general public , there are laws regarding conducting business and treating patrons equally and observing certain rights of patrons..and they often overlap with your private property rights. Again , I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with "your property , your choice " I'm just pointing out it is not so cut and dry once you are also a business serving the public.

I have 2 mags with my M&P 40 ..I ordered two more but looks like they won't get here in time . Will I be ok with just 2 15 round mags ? If not anyone have extra I could borrow?

It is actually my flashlight. What is anyone taking next? We're in Urban Pistol I end ofApril. Might try to take something else in between

I've laid this to rest in my mind until there is a press conference with all the evidence and details for both sides presented by a person authorized to do so. Case in point - I just heard on 1010wins that the Funeral Director made a statement that there was no damage on Trayvon's hands indicating that he had punched anything. He said his hands were clean , unbruised , unbroken. Now , why is a funeral director releasing info that an autopsy should conclude? This is a guy that is handling a body how long after the fact? Was there an autopsy done? If so , ballistics and other details should tell a lot. The point is you have funeral directors making forensics conclusions , bad video footage of a seemingly uninjured Zimmerman, 2 people with less than stellar personal histories , no witnesses as of yet that have come forward that saw the physical contact between the two from start to finish. There is too much "evidence" both exonerating and incriminating both sides of this circus at this point . I need to see a press conference with one guy in a suit talking and all the facts organized and presented at one time in order to form any other opinions on this.

You're such a brat !

While I don't condone just hiding the guns in your apartment , I also do not think a landlord should be able to strip someone of a constitional right , anymore than they can break equality laws. They can ask you not to smoke even though it is legal and not to have pets even though that is legal as well..becuase these things can destroy property. Plus , there is not a specific ammendment to the Constitution allowing you to smoke anywhere you want and have your dog anywhere you want. I hold denying a Constitutional Right in order to live somewhere right up there with discriminating based on race , gender , sexual orientation. It's just on a bigger scale in my mind than no smoking , no pets , etc. If it were me I would probably strike it and write a well thought out letter explaining it is a Constitutional Right and that by precluding you from keeping your guns they are forcing you to either store your posessions illegally or part with them . The landlord may not know the law in NJ , he may not know you can't by law just leave your handguns ( if you have them ) at a friend or relatives house. Tell him what they cost , what you will have to go through in order to store them , the permit process..he may not know all this stuff and if he is decent he may allow it to be striken from the lease . And if he still says no , I would look for someplace else to live while I had my guns stored at an FFL. I guess. I don't know. It is easy to say you would do "the right thing" when it isn't you who has to apply for and burn permits just to get back your own guns from an FFL. If OP does eveything according to the lease , he wil not be able to go to the range , participate in any organized activity unless he borrows a gun off someone else who is there , or use his guns for HD . For a year. The other option is to have a friend or family member hold his handguns ( is that legal???) or ignore the clause on his lease that says no firearms. As much as it is a sense of entitlement to think you can hide the weapons in the apartment anyway , so is it a sense of entitlement by the Leasor to feel they can strip you of a right given to you by your country if you want to rent their propert. If they are renting to the public , they have to observe certain laws like discrimination , and your basic rights as a citizen..any business conducting itself in the public sector has to follow these laws..people renting do too. It just illustrates how Right To Bear Arms is the red headed stepchild of the ammendments. It would not fly if it was Freedom of Speech , Religious Freedom , or any of the other ammendments and Constitutional rights he was stripping tenants of. I would fight the clause , and nicely point out he is stripping you of a Constitional Right as a condition of leasing their property.

No , and the every black gun looks the same to my spouse thing works for black camera bodies and lenses too lol ( kidding , Pete ... ahem)

No , I was going to do one in our attached garage .But I would need to hire an attorney , apply for a variance , go to court for it , maybe win , my home owners insurance would go way up even though they would not actually cover the business end , so I would need separate insurance for the business on top of it. And if you live here , you know what the rent in a store front on Ridge Rd would cost. Add to that there are so many "photographers" doing full on location jobs and giving over all the hi res images on DVD for as low as 150 bucks sometimes..it is a tough industry to make a living in. I do it freelance , for extra $$ ..mostly for buying more camera gear and guns at this point When my 9 month old is off to school I was planning to open a studio for photography , design , and graphics . Everything from a portrait sitting to making birth announcements , invites , etc. So , what do you shoot ( camera) ?

Have you talked to the landlord yet? I would try that first . Did you sign this lease yet? Like I said in the other thread I would strike and initial it and see what the landlord says , or just try talking to him. If you belong to any NJ clubs , can you locker your guns at the range ( place of training ?) Sorry you are going through this . You have a Constitutional right to own and keep your guns. It isn't like they are saying no pets or smoking.

ABCDE - Ab-see-de . Yep , seen it. I actually have heard the name Trayvon before , a few times. I did a birth class with a girl named Farrah Kahn. AND I know a guy genuinely named Richard Upright. I have to hear the Pa-JAY-mus story. It almost sounds Irish pronounced like that . be - JAY-sus.

Trayvon Robinson -Outfielder , Mariners.