TheDon

I like when he said getting a CCW permit does not mean you intend to carry everywhere you go, just when you feel you need to. That is how I feel about CCW.

To me, the symbol looks Greek or Latin and is probably not intended to be a swastika. It could represent a flower. IMHO, my money would say it is a class ring for some college or academy.

Thanks for the laugh.

Sorry, I'm too old to dress like a "gaangsta"

Sorry, I thought you wanted to know the cover story. As for everything firearms in NJ, there is the stated reason and there is the real reason. The stated reason is because the State Legislature and the Superintendent require it. The real reason is that it intimidates people. That was the original premise for this thread.

My guess is that Scammoman does not want to mess around with collecting sales tax. I have no interest in giving him my money. I do not necessarily feel the need to convince others to follow. But, I would suggest a little research before blindly doing business with someone.

SG is awesome for ammo and conservative/mainstream accessories. But they do not even come close to the line when it comes to anything associated with ARs and AKs.

No tinfoil hat here. I work for said contractor and have direct knowledge.

Because the legislature passed a law. There is a law (don't make me look up the reference) that specifies the requirements for the form. That law states that the form must ask for the applicant's employer.

No need for pigs or a bone crusher. My neighbor across the back owns a concrete company. He's already joked with me and told me that if I ever need a favor... Thanks for all the support. It feels good to know that our situation is not as uncommon as I though. I have shared all the good suggestions with my wife and I think she is feeling a little less compelled to intervene. We will just do the best we can. Maybe when Jason (the scumbag) gets out I can pretend like I want to get to know him and take him to the range. Accidents are rare, but the do occasionally happen.

Already told the wife; under no circumstances will she live with us.

Thanks, All. Great advice from everyone. I realized that I can’t subtract. My niece will actually be almost 25 when she get out. I can’t believe it has been 9 years. As doing nothing is not an option (my wife needs to do something or she will never forgive herself), we will make a concerted effort to invest in our niece in the time we have. She will be allowed to have visitors soon and at some point they will let her leave for day trips. We will make her a priority and try to get her into a positive support group, church, and all the other suggestions. All good advice. The reason I posted this in the Legal forum is my wife was actually hoping we could get a restraining order or if there was something the “Nanny State” could do. I told her that I highly doubt it and I would not want to live in a State that is able to interfere in personal relationships (I think my wife might be a closet Statist), but I would see if anyone knew of anything. Also, does anyone know of any jobs program or other assistance for recovering addicts that we can look into? For all the “services” this State offers, there does not seem to be much support for situations like this.

I actually have a legal question that has nothing to do with guns. My niece (Marissa) is scheduled for release from her half-way house in a little less than 3 months. She will be just shy of 23 and will have served 4 years in the NJ prison system. She got 4 flat for robbery when a shoplifting went horribly wrong. She was convicted as an accomplice and it was her boyfriend who laid the a**-whooping on the store clerk who was dumb enough to intervene. I am not excusing her. She got the book thrown at her because she and her boyfriend had numerous prior collars for shoplifting and fraud. She deserved what she got, but she has paid her debt. Now it is time to start anew. My wife and I are concerned because her boyfriend is scheduled for release in December; which probably means September. My wife and Marissa correspond via paper mail. Marissa is talking about running off to Seattle with her boyfriend when he gets out. Marissa was a straight-A student bound for college until she met this punk at 16. She did not finish highschool because of him. She is a registered heroin addict because of him. She did four 3-to-6-month stints in both juvie and jail and one 4-year prison term because of this douchebag. This loser wrecked her life. Her father (my asshole brother-in-law) has written her off. My wife and I would like to intervene. Is there anything a concerned aunt and uncle can do to save a girl from another prison sentence, this time in Seattle? What are your thoughts?

Have I mentioned lately how much I HATE the Statist culture in NJ.

Thanks for the laugh! Why not re-post to the Joke of the day?

That would satisfy the NJ definition of an automatic weapon.

I am plugged into what you are describing. The Federal Government has already contracted a company to develop a health score similar to your credit score. They say it is to better serve the public by giving healthcare providers a holistic view of their patient (justifying it because senior citizens see numerous specialist who do not communicate with each other). There are soooo many devils lurking in the bowels of the Obamacare package.

Unless you provide the information, they cannot. You just have to be consistent (remember, the local police will have a file on you). i.e., If you answered in the negative on your FPID application in say 2008, you had better not answer in the affirmative and provide details on a 2012 PTPP application about counseling services you received in 2007. The problem occurs if you and your firearms happen to have an encounter with LEO. Say, God forbid, you use a firearm to defend your home. A diligent investigator may dig it up and then you could get in quite a bit of trouble.

It is not "employment verification." The Superintendent says that all information on STS033 must be verfied. So regardless of whether you put down an employer or say unemployed, they are simply verifying that you answered truthfully.

And the net effect is, NJ gun owners may let minor medical conditions like depression or anxiety attacks go untreated because they do not want to explain it to the local law enforcement and have notations in their police file. Brilliant law-making. For what its worth, the supporting law behind the form (reason for denying an application) does specify "disorder." 2C:58-3 c. (2) states: ... to any person who is confined for a mental disorder to a hospital, mental institution or sanitarium, ... However, the law that provides specifications for the form uses the terms "condition." Since falsifying any information on the form is a crime, you have to answer in the affirmative, even though it is irrelevant to the investigation.

So, you are saying that it is in the choice of the word "condition" as opposed to "disorder" that they broaden the applicability. If they said a "mental disorder" it would be clearly defined in great detail by the international medical community. I just searched the NJ Permanent Statutes database for a definition of "mental condition." Of course, it is not defined anywhere. So, it is open to interpretation. Well... chock up another perfect example of how legistlation passed as "reasonable" gun control can slide down the slippery slope and become unreasonable.

New information on this. I talked to a doctor about NJ law and he assured me that typical depression is NOT a mental illness. It is a chemical imbalance and is classified as a medical condition. Clinical Depression and Major Depressive Disorder are mental conditions. However, the kind of depression that most people are treated for, where they see a psychiatrist once a month and are prescribed an antidepressant, is not considered by considered a "mental or psychiatric condition" as specified on STS-033. Below is a link to the complete list of mental disorders as defined by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) published by the American Psychiatric Association, and the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (ICD) published by the World Health Organization (WHO). http://en.wikipedia....the_DSM_and_ICD IMHO, if you ain't got one of those, you do not have to answer question 26 in the affirmative. [ETA] Anyone who has concerns about this should ask their health care provider whether their specific condition would be considered a "mental or psychiatric condition" in the legal context of such terms.

THAT is a moped. If I see you with one on the range I will point and laugh. I will tell my children to do the same.

Camden, Willingboro, Burlington City, Trenton, Edison, Patterson, Newark, Atlantic City, ...

Official reason: Local PD is responsible for verifying all information on the form. Real reason: The State gave them the authority to do it. Since they can do it, they will do it.